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Three Germanic Groups by Arminius1871 Three Germanic Groups by Arminius1871
Just a fast map.

I think the germanic cultures of Europe can be divided in 3 big cultural groups. At first, don´t forget that there is a difference between germanic and german. Germanics are all nordic people of germanic ancestry. Germans are the germanic people in central Europe, and call themselves Deutsche. The english language never used the new name, but kept the old one.

1. Continental Germanics: Germans, Dutch, Flemish, Austrians, Liechtensteiner, Luxemburger, German-Swiss.
In the 19th century many patriots defined all continental Germanics as Germans, the world wars
destroyed this dream and the dutch, part of the Reich until 1648, do not feel as Germans anymore.

2. Island Germanics: During the peoples migration time, the Anglo-Saxons from Northgermany and Denmark moved to the british isles, they built the basis of the english ethnic. Later also danish and other scandinavian vikings settled in Britain and also in Ireland.
There are of course still rather celtic regions like Wales, Cornwall, Northwest Scotland and Northwest Ireland, but even they´re mixed and part of a germanic nation and culture.

3. Scandinavians: The northern kind of Germanics from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, the minorities in Finland and smaller isles like the Färöer Isles.

The symbol in the background is the Valknut, which could be a perfect symbol for the three Germanics:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut

The runes are saying in German: Alle Germanen vereint = All Germanics united
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TeuferII Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015
Come one your names for them are ridiculous, they should be called Beergermanics (Kontinentalgermanen) Meadgermanics (Skandinavier) and Whiskeygermanics! (Inselgermanen)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey we beergermanics have also awesome mead :P
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Joniarty Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
You forgot the Prussians, How could one forget some of the strongest Germans?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Preußen ist doch enthalten, sie sind Teil der Kontinentalgermanen ;)
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  New member
You make a mistake, you forgot the fourth group with France :D

More seriously i think Flemish and Duch can have their subgroup.

Flemish, and Dutch have their own language, and a commercial culture close to england. I think you can put them in a other sub-group : Maritime Germany.

I learned something, there is a German minority in Finland ? Can you give me more detail ? it's really interesting.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Would u say France is mostly germanic? I´d think more of gallo-romanic
only the northeastern part is more germanic.

Well the dutch made their german dialect and own language, it´s the logical
continuation of the nether franconian dialects and they were part of the Reich
until 1648, so I didn´t want to give them something extra, also because it would be a
too small group XD

Oh you know the Swedish Empire? Once they controlled all of Finland, the baltic states
Ingermanland which was where now St. Petersburg is, and even parts of the german coast.
In that time, some Swedes moved to the southwestern part of Finland and still exist there.
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  New member
I'm just joking,  because for the French our founder, our first king is Clovis we proclaim descend francs, if you ask a French if his country descendants of the Franks, he will certainly answer you yes.

after i think we are romantic (gallo-culture didn't survive) with some traces of Frank Culture even if the Frank language was assimilated there is still some trace of Franks culture in French culture (for example, until 1848, all our kings down more or less directly descend from Charlemagne), I read a book about that, really interesting.

Swedish empire is Germanic ? i've always think, they're was Scandinavians.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah but it was more like a ruling minority that assimilated quickly^^
But they gave your nation a germanic name :P But not many words, only stuff
like guerre, nord, sud, bleu, jardin and so on.

Yes that´s why most kings had romanized german names like Louis (Ludwig), Henri (Heinrich) and so on.

Ah that again XD You must make a different between Germanic and German, it´s not the same.
All nordic people are Germanics, but only the ones in central Europe are Germans or better said
the ones who call themselves Deutsche now.

You can more or less say, they´re germanic (tho language is not ethnic of course):

wiki.verbix.com/uploads/Langua…
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  New member
yes, i say that just for joking :D French is Roman (More than 90% of our words come from Latin)
  but for Frank influence i didn't speak of their language, but their administrative, cultures, politics, history, ... 

Ah yes sorry for mistake. So Germany is like a super-familly (ethnic) and German a subgroup  (collectivity)?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Germanic is a super-family yes, and Germans are only the ones on the continent,
the others are on the british isles and in Scandinavia, and of course most US-Americans
from Europe are also Germans and in Australia and Canada.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
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theengineerman Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
Isn't the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zeland part of this?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You are right! I just didn´t include them, cause I wanted to include the original regions,
even tho the Germanics in these mentioned countries are not forgotten of course!
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 8, 2014  Student Artist
Could we all just unite and become a Triumvirate or something? Also, I think Germany deserves to have Niederschlesien, Pommern and Ostbrandenburg back. The towns are German built, those regions are historically German and most people there are ethnic Germans.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wished we could feel as brothers of the same blood!
Yes we deserve that land, but we can´t get it back, not now,
and not when it causes a war or new hate.

Are u really from Iceland???
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014  Student Artist
Yes I am from Iceland.
It doesn't have to be achieved through violence, the lands can be reclaimed with diplomatic solutions. The French president once said that he would gladly give Germany Elsass-Lothringen back if the French would want it. The good Franco-German relations have lead France possibly giving Germany back its land someday. Germany might not get their eastern territories back in this decade or the next, but eventually they will. The Polish never even asked for these regions, it was made their land by the Soviets and the British in order to humiliate the Germans, preventing rise of warfare in the future.
But hopefully someday we Germanics could unite, though Icelanders (being Scandinavians) see Germans as their cousins instead of brothers (as we see the Faroes and Norwegians as brothers).
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That´s really awesome! I read you love your language a lot, and for every foreign word
a new icelandic one is invented! I always wanted to visit ur great land^^

True, but we´re a family tho^^

Well our problem is, we don´t have any patriotism and a government that likes more to
important millions of foreign people, instead of giving us our historical right XD
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014  Student Artist
Well, time will come. Heck, people want their rightful lands whether they admit it or not unless they have no love for their native lands. This happened often during Soviet era and some Japanese want their islands back from Russia. Many Germans are afraid of patriotism. Berlin has even become such a multi-cultural place simply because the government is afraid of being seen as a bad guy if they reject immigrants, of course it is all right to accept some immigrants if there are jobs that need to be filled or something but there is a limit.
But time will come, people will eventually know the value of a whole Germany without being reminded of a Nazi past.
And yes. We are a family, all Teutons are a family and hopefully we will become a one nation one day. It would be fitting, after all, in Icelandic the word for "German/Deutsch" is "Þjóðverji" which means "member of nation".
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the same way, I mean, we always had ups and downs, a century is long for one person and his life,
but for a country it is nothing^^

I will definitly visit all the great nordic countries once **

Is it true, that you all know who were your ancestors landing on Iceland 900 years ago?
And are most of the Icelander blonde?
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014  Student Artist
True.

Well, most of us are aware of our ancestry. Iceland became an independent country in 930 AD, after that the we became a semi-anarchist state which was ruled by several Viking clans. The Clans were eventually known as the Sturlungs, the Haukælir, the Oddverjar, the Svínfellingar and the Ausbirnings. Icelanders have a specific system to know our ancestors and which clan they served (some are even descended from the chieftains, due to the fact that we did not believe in "royal blood" and anyone could marry a chieftain). I myself found out about my paternal ancestry (but not my maternal one, since my mother's side is Swedish) and it turns out I am a descendant of Snorri Sturluson (though I'm probably not the only one, he had about 5 children and therefore many grandchildren), a very important member of the Sturlung clan, not to mention that he had a great impact on Germanic culture and is famous among the Nordics.

Not entirely true. Although black hair colour is extremely rare hair colour in Iceland, most Icelanders are either blonde or brown, though some people (usually females) have a hair so blonde that it's almost white. But blue eye colour is very common.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow this is so epic, I would be really proud to be from Iceland,
a nordic island so far away from the shit here in Europe,
with such a well known history and ancestors, and you have even famous
ancestors ^^

Yeah I thought so, so you surely have many beautiful women :)

But even here in Bavaria, we have sometimes white-blonde people,
also many blondes, but most are brown haired indeed. And we have also
some black haired. Blue eyes/ brown eyes are 50/50 I´d say.
That´s the influence from other peoples next to Germany of course.
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Viewer-17 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014
By any practical means, the Netherlands had been independent from the Holy Roman Empire since 1581, and have never felt like Germans. In fact, a sense of German identity in general didn't exist until the 19th century. No offence intended, just pointing out!
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As far as I know they left the Reich officially 1648, but up to the begin of the 20th century
were seen as brothers of the german tongue. The only difference is, you didn´t follow
the High German language development, like for example Switzerland did, even tho
they were indepedant.
That´s why your nether franconian german dialect is officially an own language today.

Nevertheless, all settlers in America from continental german ethnic, were and are considered Germans.

Also the Netherlands are the logical continuation of the german dialects, and also the heritage is exactly the same.

It´s not offensive, we don´t have to agree, we can all think what we want ;)
I see you as german brothers, you maybe don´t want this. You got in fact your own identity,
which I think is sad, I´d like to see all german states in middle europe united.
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Schikera Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
alles gut außer irland und schottland und wales :)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wieso XD
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Schikera Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
die iren,schotten und die waliser sind kelten, keine germanen :)
aber sonst tolles bild
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Stimmt nur teilweise, der Gesamte Ostteile Schottlands und auch der von Irland
sind von germanischen Angelsachsen und Wikingern besiedelt worden.
Ich weiß, viele Schotten fordern eine keltische identität, aber sie sind abstammungsmäßig keine Kelten,
das hat nur etwas mit mangelnder Bildung in Sachen Völkerkunde zu tun^^

Das Gleiche mit Bayern, hier lebten mal Kelten ja, aber die bajuwarischen Germanen haben sie in der
Völkerwanderungszeit verdrängt. Stell dir vor ich proklamiere jetzt eine keltische Identität, nur weil
die Feinde meiner Vorfahren mal hier lebten, das ist natürlich Unsinn. Das Gleiche ist in Schottland.
Am ehesten leben noch welche in Wales und Westirland und auch Nordwestschottland.
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MarcelMueller Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Ich fall bald um. Herrlich was man bei dir findet!Hug 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ab September kommt mehr, dankeschön :)
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bruiser128 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2014
You are one hundred percent correct about the three Germanic groups.
I know this'll sound weird but I use to think of the three Germanic groups
as analogues to the three pony races of the MLP: FIM series.

Earth Ponies represented the Continental Germanic's for their tough and
hardworking nature. Pegasi are the Island Germanic's because they are
the most adventurous of races leading to having the worlds largest colonial
empire. Unicorns are the Scandinavians for their history of progress and discovery.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hahaha never saw someone comparing it with that,
but it´s a funny theory^^
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bruiser128 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2014
Well i'm a brony and a speculative fiction lover, so don't expect any less.^^

So are YOU a MLP:FIM fan?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No I´m not, but it´s no problem for me when others like it. ;)
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bruiser128 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2014
Well I honestly like the stuff made by the fan community over the actual series.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes but I´m more a fan of anime or pc games usually.
Or old 90s cartoons of my childhood^^
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bruiser128 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014
Anime? Does that mean you've heard of an anime series called Code Geass?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes I watched it even, but not everything yet XD And I like Logh (legen of the galactic heroes).
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Scipia Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
Aren't the Orkney and the Shetland scandinavians too ^^ ?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nah they belong to Scotland, which might be in a few weeks indipendant oO
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Scipia Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
Yes they are part of Scotland, but that's the administrative "borders", aren't they ethnically scandinavians ?
I heard they speak "norn"
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes they are, but I added it to the westgermanic influenced english culture area,
because also the whole east coast of Britain is of scandinavian ancestry.
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Scipia Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
Ah yes the Danelaw, I forget them ^^

What's the two long islands north-east to Sweden ? (near the "S" of skandinavien)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh hahaha that are the swedish minorities in Finland, they´re not islands XD
But I didn´t include any bordering land^^
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Scipia Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
Aaaah :D

I told myself "that's odd I never heard about these islands" :D

There is a swedish-speaking majority in these areas or are they less than 50% ?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In some communities there are indeed more than 50% swedish speaking, but they make up
only 5 % of the whole population:

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su%C3%A9…
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Volsem Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
The Valknut is a pagan symbol, I don't think that christian germanic people have the right to use it. A christian is, by his/her religion/spirituality, not an European anymore (and so, not a Germanic or Latin or Celt or Slav or Hellenic etc...). Christianity came from Palestine, and most Europeans were converted by force to it by monarchs, so, this is not an European religion, and so, christians have no right to use pagan symbols, because when they gave up their true religions, they gave up Indo-European culture, or at least, Indo-European spirituality.
So, the Valknut can be a symbol or old/former Germanic people, but certainly not of the nowadays ones, whose religion is quite the opposite of Germanic paganism.
If one day, Germanic people give up christianity (a religion imposed by force, the religion that destroyed European culture) to come back to their true culture and religion, then they'll have the right to use these symbols again. Because an abrahamic who use a pagan symbol is like a band covering a song, then claiming they are the ones who wrote it.

But this comment is about all pagans symbols in general, when a christian use them with a "christian" meaning, they stain it, it's a fraud. Like some christians using the sun/celtic/odin cross, or the triquetra and triskel, etc etc... They do like the nazis who stained the swatiska and the runes, like them, they steal symbols that don't belong to them, and alter what they are with vile new meanings.
A French odinist has more legitimacy in using the valknut than a German member of a lutherian church.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well around the 1900s and before the Germans discovered the symbols and religion of their old ancestors,
many clubs were founded to revive it, and if there was no 3. Reich that used them for bad things,
it could´ve rised maybe.
And the symbols of the original religion of our ancestors could inspire the modern people to be interested again :)
Else you´re right of course.
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Lumi-Natis Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
Funny, you considered the ethnical borders of the continental germans but not the ones of the scandinavian germans: you included lappland : de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lappland…
Else I love your design as always :)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes my mistake, except they´re surely mixed a bit.
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Lumi-Natis Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014
I am not sure that they are really... You should check it.
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Shikku27316 Featured By Owner Edited Aug 9, 2014
The English are West Germanic with a large Norse influx, so I could see why they'd seem unique, but everybody calls them West Germanic (linguistically, culturally, and historically, they are).

Also, only a few communities in Ulster are Germanic in Ireland, because lots of Lowland Scots migrated there, and took their language with them. There are also the Yola speakers of Forth and Bargy (in Wexford) and the Fingallian speakers in Fingal (north of Dublin), but their languages are extinct, and it's kind of divided whether they see themselves as Irish or their old ethnicities. The rest of Ireland is purely Celtic; they just speak English, and their Celtic culture has been kind of suppressed over the past few years, but they're getting it back.

Same with Scotland--really, only the Lowlands are Germanic, as well as some parts of the far east of Scotland, that are Norse. (Shetland and Orkney used to have a vibrant Norse culture, which can still be seen, but less, as they largely don't speak their Nordic language, Norn, anymore.) The rest is Celtic, the situation is the same as with Ireland. There might be a larger Celtic aspect to Scotland upon independence. (Also, I see you've included the Isle of Man. The situation is basically the same there, only without the whole independence part.)

Also, the third branch of Germanic is East Germanic, isn't it? I know that there aren't technically any territories for them anymore, though.

I didn't want to seem rude, just offering some things I knew.
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