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Three Germanic Groups by Arminius1871 Three Germanic Groups by Arminius1871
Just a fast map.

I think the germanic cultures of Europe can be divided in 3 big cultural groups. At first, don´t forget that there is a difference between germanic and german. Germanics are all nordic people of germanic ancestry. Germans are the germanic people in central Europe, and call themselves Deutsche. The english language never used the new name, but kept the old one.

1. Continental Germanics: Germans, Dutch, Flemish, Austrians, Liechtensteiner, Luxemburger, German-Swiss.
In the 19th century many patriots defined all continental Germanics as Germans, the world wars
destroyed this dream and the dutch, part of the Reich until 1648, do not feel as Germans anymore.

2. Island Germanics: During the peoples migration time, the Anglo-Saxons from Northgermany and Denmark moved to the british isles, they built the basis of the english ethnic. Later also danish and other scandinavian vikings settled in Britain and also in Ireland.
There are of course still rather celtic regions like Wales, Cornwall, Northwest Scotland and Northwest Ireland, but even they´re mixed and part of a germanic nation and culture.

3. Scandinavians: The northern kind of Germanics from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, the minorities in Finland and smaller isles like the Färöer Isles.

The symbol in the background is the Valknut, which could be a perfect symbol for the three Germanics:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut

The runes are saying in German: Alle Germanen vereint = All Germanics united
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Vah-Vah Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2016
You, Germanic, lucky. The family is large, even for something to hope.
My people have no relatives :(
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2016
Which peoples are closely related to yours?
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Vah-Vah Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016
My mixed origin (including Caucasian, Greek, and Polish), but in general - Georgian. It is unlikely that you know, Georgia - this is such a small country on the southern edge of Europe, close to Turkey and Armenia. Previously, it was part of Russia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_…
My nation is surrounded by the heterodox and unrelated people. If we talk about the origin, Georgians are similar to other Ibero-Caucasian peoples (such as the Abkhaz, who have autonomy in our country, or the Chechens in Russia).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibero-Ca…
But that's not related. In fact, Georgians once wanted to unite the whole of the Caucasus under his rule (when he was still entirely Christian), they even get it, but since then much time has passed for a long time and the connection is lost. We mostly do not consider each other as brothers, but try to keep a good relationship (because of the bad influence of Russian is not very good).
Still there is the theory that the Georgians are related to pre-Aryan population in Europe (Etruscans in Italy, the Basques in Spain, the Pelasgians in Greece, and so on). It is quite possible, given that our language is isolated, but has a connection with the same Basque language.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016
I had a friend who visited Georgia and the Caucasus to climb the mountains and he
really enjoyed it! You must have beautiful landscapes :)

That´s interesting, I must admit I really do not know so much about Georgia,
but I am interested in all countries! That sounds like a cool map, a greater Georgia
uniting all that regions. Do you know which regions exactly would´ve united? Or a map?
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Vah-Vah Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016
If you are interested in the history of our country, look at my profile, profile of real cards. There are many historical, including an explanation
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Will-of-the-spurr Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2015
What about the Franks, Visigoths and Ostrogoths, though? or were their cultures eclipsed or swamped by the local roman cultures?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2015
They represent the modern rests of the germanic cultures,
not the ones 2000 years ago^^ Then we would have very different borders.
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Will-of-the-spurr Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2015
Thanks for the llama~
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2015
Welcome^^
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Shernod9704 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
Which race was the Scottish were?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
The native Scots were celtic, but most of the southeastern part was invaded
by germanic anglo-saxons, so most of the modern people there are
anglo-saxons thinking they´re celts XD

www.stclairresearch.com/conten…
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Shernod9704 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
But what explain the red or orange hair colored people(and maybe orange eyes).
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
It´s just a stereotype that red hairs mean celtic, red hairs appear also
among germanic and slavic people.
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Shernod9704 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
Oh.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
^^
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TeuferII Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015
Come one your names for them are ridiculous, they should be called Beergermanics (Kontinentalgermanen) Meadgermanics (Skandinavier) and Whiskeygermanics! (Inselgermanen)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015
Hey we beergermanics have also awesome mead :P
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Brecnology Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2015
Excuse me!? But we Brits drink more beer than all you other Krauts and Vikings put together! If anything we should be the Beergermanics!! Chug!Chug!Chug! Drunk 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2015
We should make beer olympics to prove this :P hahaha
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Brecnology Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2015
The only alcohol to be drunk will be absinthe
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2015
Hahaha, but it´s not typicall germanic, there will be only beer and mead XD
Maybe even Starkbier (strong-beer)^^
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Joniarty Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
You forgot the Prussians, How could one forget some of the strongest Germans?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2015
Preußen ist doch enthalten, sie sind Teil der Kontinentalgermanen ;)
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You make a mistake, you forgot the fourth group with France :D

More seriously i think Flemish and Duch can have their subgroup.

Flemish, and Dutch have their own language, and a commercial culture close to england. I think you can put them in a other sub-group : Maritime Germany.

I learned something, there is a German minority in Finland ? Can you give me more detail ? it's really interesting.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014
Would u say France is mostly germanic? I´d think more of gallo-romanic
only the northeastern part is more germanic.

Well the dutch made their german dialect and own language, it´s the logical
continuation of the nether franconian dialects and they were part of the Reich
until 1648, so I didn´t want to give them something extra, also because it would be a
too small group XD

Oh you know the Swedish Empire? Once they controlled all of Finland, the baltic states
Ingermanland which was where now St. Petersburg is, and even parts of the german coast.
In that time, some Swedes moved to the southwestern part of Finland and still exist there.
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm just joking,  because for the French our founder, our first king is Clovis we proclaim descend francs, if you ask a French if his country descendants of the Franks, he will certainly answer you yes.

after i think we are romantic (gallo-culture didn't survive) with some traces of Frank Culture even if the Frank language was assimilated there is still some trace of Franks culture in French culture (for example, until 1848, all our kings down more or less directly descend from Charlemagne), I read a book about that, really interesting.

Swedish empire is Germanic ? i've always think, they're was Scandinavians.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Yeah but it was more like a ruling minority that assimilated quickly^^
But they gave your nation a germanic name :P But not many words, only stuff
like guerre, nord, sud, bleu, jardin and so on.

Yes that´s why most kings had romanized german names like Louis (Ludwig), Henri (Heinrich) and so on.

Ah that again XD You must make a different between Germanic and German, it´s not the same.
All nordic people are Germanics, but only the ones in central Europe are Germans or better said
the ones who call themselves Deutsche now.

You can more or less say, they´re germanic (tho language is not ethnic of course):

wiki.verbix.com/uploads/Langua…
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes, i say that just for joking :D French is Roman (More than 90% of our words come from Latin)
  but for Frank influence i didn't speak of their language, but their administrative, cultures, politics, history, ... 

Ah yes sorry for mistake. So Germany is like a super-familly (ethnic) and German a subgroup  (collectivity)?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014
Germanic is a super-family yes, and Germans are only the ones on the continent,
the others are on the british isles and in Scandinavia, and of course most US-Americans
from Europe are also Germans and in Australia and Canada.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
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theengineerman Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
Isn't the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zeland part of this?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
You are right! I just didn´t include them, cause I wanted to include the original regions,
even tho the Germanics in these mentioned countries are not forgotten of course!
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 8, 2014  Student Artist
Could we all just unite and become a Triumvirate or something? Also, I think Germany deserves to have Niederschlesien, Pommern and Ostbrandenburg back. The towns are German built, those regions are historically German and most people there are ethnic Germans.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014
I wished we could feel as brothers of the same blood!
Yes we deserve that land, but we can´t get it back, not now,
and not when it causes a war or new hate.

Are u really from Iceland???
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014  Student Artist
Yes I am from Iceland.
It doesn't have to be achieved through violence, the lands can be reclaimed with diplomatic solutions. The French president once said that he would gladly give Germany Elsass-Lothringen back if the French would want it. The good Franco-German relations have lead France possibly giving Germany back its land someday. Germany might not get their eastern territories back in this decade or the next, but eventually they will. The Polish never even asked for these regions, it was made their land by the Soviets and the British in order to humiliate the Germans, preventing rise of warfare in the future.
But hopefully someday we Germanics could unite, though Icelanders (being Scandinavians) see Germans as their cousins instead of brothers (as we see the Faroes and Norwegians as brothers).
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Maine86 Featured By Owner May 16, 2015
"The French president once said that he would gladly give Germany Elsass-Lothringen back if the French would want it. The good Franco-German relations have lead France possibly giving Germany back its land someday." WTF??? Give me your sources plaease.
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner May 17, 2015  Student Artist
Just look it up on the internet or in newspapers from 2010.
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Maine86 Featured By Owner May 17, 2015
Sorry, I can't find anything. Give me your sources.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014
That´s really awesome! I read you love your language a lot, and for every foreign word
a new icelandic one is invented! I always wanted to visit ur great land^^

True, but we´re a family tho^^

Well our problem is, we don´t have any patriotism and a government that likes more to
important millions of foreign people, instead of giving us our historical right XD
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014  Student Artist
Well, time will come. Heck, people want their rightful lands whether they admit it or not unless they have no love for their native lands. This happened often during Soviet era and some Japanese want their islands back from Russia. Many Germans are afraid of patriotism. Berlin has even become such a multi-cultural place simply because the government is afraid of being seen as a bad guy if they reject immigrants, of course it is all right to accept some immigrants if there are jobs that need to be filled or something but there is a limit.
But time will come, people will eventually know the value of a whole Germany without being reminded of a Nazi past.
And yes. We are a family, all Teutons are a family and hopefully we will become a one nation one day. It would be fitting, after all, in Icelandic the word for "German/Deutsch" is "Þjóðverji" which means "member of nation".
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
I think the same way, I mean, we always had ups and downs, a century is long for one person and his life,
but for a country it is nothing^^

I will definitly visit all the great nordic countries once **

Is it true, that you all know who were your ancestors landing on Iceland 900 years ago?
And are most of the Icelander blonde?
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Thorberg22 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014  Student Artist
True.

Well, most of us are aware of our ancestry. Iceland became an independent country in 930 AD, after that the we became a semi-anarchist state which was ruled by several Viking clans. The Clans were eventually known as the Sturlungs, the Haukælir, the Oddverjar, the Svínfellingar and the Ausbirnings. Icelanders have a specific system to know our ancestors and which clan they served (some are even descended from the chieftains, due to the fact that we did not believe in "royal blood" and anyone could marry a chieftain). I myself found out about my paternal ancestry (but not my maternal one, since my mother's side is Swedish) and it turns out I am a descendant of Snorri Sturluson (though I'm probably not the only one, he had about 5 children and therefore many grandchildren), a very important member of the Sturlung clan, not to mention that he had a great impact on Germanic culture and is famous among the Nordics.

Not entirely true. Although black hair colour is extremely rare hair colour in Iceland, most Icelanders are either blonde or brown, though some people (usually females) have a hair so blonde that it's almost white. But blue eye colour is very common.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
Wow this is so epic, I would be really proud to be from Iceland,
a nordic island so far away from the shit here in Europe,
with such a well known history and ancestors, and you have even famous
ancestors ^^

Yeah I thought so, so you surely have many beautiful women :)

But even here in Bavaria, we have sometimes white-blonde people,
also many blondes, but most are brown haired indeed. And we have also
some black haired. Blue eyes/ brown eyes are 50/50 I´d say.
That´s the influence from other peoples next to Germany of course.
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Viewer-17 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014
By any practical means, the Netherlands had been independent from the Holy Roman Empire since 1581, and have never felt like Germans. In fact, a sense of German identity in general didn't exist until the 19th century. No offence intended, just pointing out!
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014
As far as I know they left the Reich officially 1648, but up to the begin of the 20th century
were seen as brothers of the german tongue. The only difference is, you didn´t follow
the High German language development, like for example Switzerland did, even tho
they were indepedant.
That´s why your nether franconian german dialect is officially an own language today.

Nevertheless, all settlers in America from continental german ethnic, were and are considered Germans.

Also the Netherlands are the logical continuation of the german dialects, and also the heritage is exactly the same.

It´s not offensive, we don´t have to agree, we can all think what we want ;)
I see you as german brothers, you maybe don´t want this. You got in fact your own identity,
which I think is sad, I´d like to see all german states in middle europe united.
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Schikera Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
alles gut außer irland und schottland und wales :)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014
Wieso XD
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Schikera Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
die iren,schotten und die waliser sind kelten, keine germanen :)
aber sonst tolles bild
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014
Stimmt nur teilweise, der Gesamte Ostteile Schottlands und auch der von Irland
sind von germanischen Angelsachsen und Wikingern besiedelt worden.
Ich weiß, viele Schotten fordern eine keltische identität, aber sie sind abstammungsmäßig keine Kelten,
das hat nur etwas mit mangelnder Bildung in Sachen Völkerkunde zu tun^^

Das Gleiche mit Bayern, hier lebten mal Kelten ja, aber die bajuwarischen Germanen haben sie in der
Völkerwanderungszeit verdrängt. Stell dir vor ich proklamiere jetzt eine keltische Identität, nur weil
die Feinde meiner Vorfahren mal hier lebten, das ist natürlich Unsinn. Das Gleiche ist in Schottland.
Am ehesten leben noch welche in Wales und Westirland und auch Nordwestschottland.
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MarcelMueller Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Ich fall bald um. Herrlich was man bei dir findet!Hug 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
Ab September kommt mehr, dankeschön :)
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