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The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871 The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871
Notice: This map was not created to offend anyone, but to educate and show historical facts,
constructive critik is always welcome, hate-comments not.

This is a map showing the territories that Germany, and german-speaking territories that Austria lost,
between 1919 and today. For every region you see the name and the date, when it was taken from Germany,
some regions were taken twice after every world war. A short description about the regions:

Federal Republic of Germany: Germany today

Austria: Anschluss forbidden in 1919, the Republic German-Austria containing all ethnical Germans
from Austria-Hungary was forbidden as well. It united with Germany in 1938 and left Germany again
after the downfall of the 3. Reich.

Northern Schleswig: Lost after a referendum in 1919, because most of the residents were danish,
Southern Schleswig was allowed to stay in Germany.

Eupen-Malmedy: Small german communities lost in 1919 and again in 1945.

Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen): Lost in 1919 and again in 1945, around 90% of the residents
are Germans, Metz and the region around was always french.

South Tyrol (Südtirol): Lost 1919 and never reunited with the rest of Tyrol. Even tho Italy tried
to erase everything German there, still 70% of the residents are Germans today.

Kanaltal, South Styria (Südsteiermark), Ödenburg etc.: Smaller german regions around Austria
claimed for German-Austria, but not allowed by the allied. Most of the Germans there were
expelled, left because of bad conditions or were assimilated.

Sudetenland: Claimed by German-Austria, but forbidden by the allied. United with Germany in 1938,
lost after 1945. 99% of the Germans killed or expelled.

West Prussia (Westpreußen), Posen, Danzig: Lost in 1919 and again in 1945. Posen was mainly settled
by Poles, West-Prussia was mixed and created the so called corridor, one of many reasons that leaded
to a war with Poland.

East-Prussia (Ostpreußen): Separated from the german mainland in 1919, lost in 1945, all Germans were killed or expelled.

Pommerania (Pommern), East Brandenburg and Silesia (Schlesien): Lost in 1945, nearly all Germans were killed or expelled.

Upper-Silesia (Oberschlesien): Lost 1922 and again 1945, nearly all Germans killed or expelled.

Not included: Language islands, that were spread all over East Europe, states that identified in former centuries as Germans, such as Luxemburg, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, the Netherlands, parts of Belgium.

I didn´t mention the Saarland and partition of Germany into 4 zones in that map, too.

For more information, check:

Treaty of Versailles:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_o…

Potsdam conference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_…

Jalta conference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Co…

Expulsion of the Germans:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_a…
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner 2 days ago  New member
Just to clarify, in French we say Alsace-Moselle and not Alsace-lorraine because Prussian taken only Moselle department during Franco-Prussian war.

After you say 90% of the residents are Germans, but it's in partly false, let's me explain, this is not to relaunch the controversy, yes they're speaking and become (again) german after Prussian win, but for French people, nation is not a language, so even this people speaking German language they are french and Alsace is really an important territory in their history, the first time where Marseillaise is singing is in Alsace, Mulhouse join French republic with a referendum, marechal Kellermann, ... 

So yes they are german (language, culture, ...)  in this time but also French (history, culture, ...) and during first world war, and for them they just think recover a French territory. 

And don't forget Germany was create at Versaille (old French capital, after Prussia humiliate them and asking lot of money ) I'm not saying that they had reason to do that, but for them it was just a revenge of the Franco-Prussian War.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner 2 days ago
I know, what you call Moselle is for us Ostlothringen (East Lorraine).

Nope, they were not only ethnically german by language, but also genetically.
And in Strassburg the first newspaper of the world was printed, by Germans in the german language,
it was for many centuries even under french occupation an important german university city,
and if u look around in Elsass, I see german architecture, german christmas markets, german folk songs...
But the radical french language politics brainwashed them to believe they´re not Germans anymore,
and the german language is nearly killed :( . Not meant offending, just a fact, even when it´s very directly.

But my friend, 1870/71 was a mistake the French did, they declared the war and ran into Bismarcks trap.
That´s something I never understood, instead of saying, yep was a mistake, now let´s be friends,
France started an attitude of hate and revenge...but for what? That Germany didn´t allow France invades it
again and again and for the first time strikes back?
If you know your old foreign minister Poincarre you know that he was one of the main reasons for the 1. world war.

I respect France and admire it´s great history, but sometimes I think the French forget, that they invaded
Germany dozens of times, inventing nonsense like the Rhein must be a border, no matter what people and culture
is there, and Germany was mostly defensive in history.

But look how clear the ethnical borders were in the west always:

www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/…

Again I have nothing against France, I think Napoleon was cool, but I also demand truth.
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner 2 days ago  New member
I'm totally agree with you the Franco-Prussian war is a French fault. But lot of French historians think that's Parliament which launched this war after the defeat he's blamed Napoleon III, and it used the feeling of revenge to destroy second empire and proclaimed third republic, but they were overwhelmed by the feeling they create and people pushed them to a new war. "if you play with fire, you get burned " :D. If Poincarre  doesn't want the war i'm pretty sur, people never voted for him.

I never say "Elsass is not a german territory", yes she's german, but i say she's also french.

about the massacre of the German language, it's also necessary put things in context, before the war, Alsace was really a decentralized region and having many great privilege, that's why the majority of people speak German while they were French, during several centuries.  

Massacre of the German language begins only after the First World to avoid a new invasion of Germany based on Pan-Germanism (it's a very bad think, because for me French is not a nation of language, but only of culture and Friendship between French regions).

For me Germans are brothers of Frenchs, and I think if Bismarck would have done the same thing he make with Austria before and not asking any territorial concessions, just abandoning the empire and proclamation republic, he would have put France to his boot and Germany win the first world war.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner 2 days ago
Oh as I read Napoleon III didn´t want a war directly, but we always forget, even in a monarchy the king is not the only
one with power. Many ministers, generals etc. forced him to start the war. But still it was a mistake.

I always thought it would´ve been a nice idea to make Elsass a puffer state like Belgium, with bilingual raised people.

A french friend told me the difference between Germany and France, Germans and French.
For France the nation is just the regions you own. For Germans, there must be also ethnic-genetical ties,
which mostly connects with the language area, but not always. Like today, the people in Elsass are still
ethnic Germans, but national French.

I understand why France is doing this language politics, but that doesn´t mean it´s nice or good^^

For me, modern France and Germany are the best partners, the heart of Europe and the best nations
here at the moment, ruling together. If our modern friendship is strong and can forgive the old rivalry,
we will have a great time in the future.

I have a long text where Bismarck explains why he took also Metz, and not just the german Elsass and East-Lorraine.
Maybe I can translate and upload it. But u surely know already, Metz was taken not because Germany had a right to do so,
but to have a better situation in a new war. As far as I know they never tried to force the French there to learn German,
and they built many great buildings in that 50 years.

Bonne nuit mon ami ;)
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Edited 2 days ago  New member
Merci et bonjour :D

Yes i read about it, France has make a big stronghold in Metz, so he took it in order to avoid that France used it in the next war Bismlarck was persuade French want their revanche. This is also why the France has been so hard with Germany at Versaille, she was convinced Prussain was going to want revenge, it was necessary to weaken as much as possible to avoid it.

Make a new state a puffer state, you want the death of France ? :D. If we took map of nationalist language (France is very, very little) by exemple, Rousillon is Castillan,  corse is Italien, Brittany, Savoie is independant, French overseas department isn't French, North territories are Flamish, ....

And i'm pretty sur, French become forbidden in Moselle, and was fought because he was language of enemy(but after it, Prussian become relaxed for that because there were too many French speaker in Moselle)abd the problem (for German reich) is that most of Germanic settlers arrived because they were Francophiles and loved French culture, paradoxically it is they who have permitted the French to survive or progress in this zone.

Yes, in begining, Prussians really try to treat well Alsace-Lorraine they consider them like friends brothers.

but after it's spoiled, there was a lot of trouble and some Alsatian decided to join the French camp during the first world war (18000 i think) and during this war Prussian soldiers have really brutalized the population ( Savern affair(just before), "Wer zaudert noch?", ...) as the saying Alexander Hohenlohe.
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Warsie Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Also I'd be fucking pissed about my land stolen from me by the fucking Allies. At leaat you should unify Austria and mainlan Germany together :(
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner 3 days ago
We can´t we´re too unpatriotic, the western peoples are weak today,
they have no pride or self-confidence, more like vasalls of America by own will.
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Warsie Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
I like this site on expelled Germans: expelledgermans.org/
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner 3 days ago
Thy for the good link!
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YamaLama1986 Featured By Owner Edited 5 days ago   Digital Artist
On the post-war settlement of the Eastern Front of World War II, the transferring of massive amounts of territory that had an ethnic German majority prior to massive displacement of the population fleeing for fear of persecution by Soviet soldiers, was very controversial.

As for World War I, speaking about the European territorial arrangements, the armistice agreements on territorial matters were moderate for Germany but radical for the former Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Empire. The armistices' official refusal to allow the rump state of Austria to join Germany after it lost all its connections to its economic links in the economically important Bohemia, was in my view very reckless and responsible for escalating economic hardship in Austria. It was the reparations, disarmament procedures, French occupation of the Ruhr, and loss of all of Germany's colonies that were the most controversial parts of the Treaty of Versailles in my opinion.

The post-World War I borders were very similar to borders that Poland had with German states until about a century prior to WWI, plus the regions that Germany had to cede to Poland after WWI had substantial numbers of Poles in them. Poland wanted access to the Baltic Sea to insure that it could have merchant trade without having to send it through territory of another country to reach the sea.  Plus Konigsberg wasn't that far away and planes and boats could go to it from mainland Germany and back from it if Poland wouldn't let vehicles cross its borders to reach Konigsberg. Alsace-Lorraine, Schleswig-Holstein, and Eupen-Malmedy were all recently acquired territories taken by Prussia from other countries. France had possessed Alsace-Lorraine for centuries by the time it was annexed by the armistice with Prussia in 1870 after the Franco-Prussian War, so it had legitimate grievances in World War I to make claims to that land. Remember that France did not like Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points that promoted national self-determination - France wanted re-establishement of a previous state of affairs.

For me, it is the post-WWII eastern European borders that are the really controversial borders in twentieth century European history. Though what was very controversial in post-WWI was the French occupation of the Ruhr, and I think that the refusal to permit Austria to join Germany, after it was  economically crippled after the war, was reprehensible and the cause of immense hardship for Austrians immediately after the war.
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