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The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871 The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871
Notice: This map was not created to offend anyone, but to educate and show historical facts,
constructive critik is always welcome, hate-comments not.

This is a map showing the territories that Germany, and german-speaking territories that Austria lost,
between 1919 and today. For every region you see the name and the date, when it was taken from Germany,
some regions were taken twice after every world war. A short description about the regions:

Federal Republic of Germany: Germany today

Austria: Anschluss forbidden in 1919, the Republic German-Austria containing all ethnical Germans
from Austria-Hungary was forbidden as well. It united with Germany in 1938 and left Germany again
after the downfall of the 3. Reich.

Northern Schleswig: Lost after a referendum in 1919, because most of the residents were danish,
Southern Schleswig was allowed to stay in Germany.

Eupen-Malmedy: Small german communities lost in 1919 and again in 1945.

Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen): Lost in 1919 and again in 1945, around 90% of the residents
are Germans, Metz and the region around was always french.

South Tyrol (Südtirol): Lost 1919 and never reunited with the rest of Tyrol. Even tho Italy tried
to erase everything German there, still 70% of the residents are Germans today.

Kanaltal, South Styria (Südsteiermark), Ödenburg etc.: Smaller german regions around Austria
claimed for German-Austria, but not allowed by the allied. Most of the Germans there were
expelled, left because of bad conditions or were assimilated.

Sudetenland: Claimed by German-Austria, but forbidden by the allied. United with Germany in 1938,
lost after 1945. 99% of the Germans killed or expelled.

West Prussia (Westpreußen), Posen, Danzig: Lost in 1919 and again in 1945. Posen was mainly settled
by Poles, West-Prussia was mixed and created the so called corridor, one of many reasons that leaded
to a war with Poland.

East-Prussia (Ostpreußen): Separated from the german mainland in 1919, lost in 1945, all Germans were killed or expelled.

Pommerania (Pommern), East Brandenburg and Silesia (Schlesien): Lost in 1945, nearly all Germans were killed or expelled.

Upper-Silesia (Oberschlesien): Lost 1922 and again 1945, nearly all Germans killed or expelled.

Not included: Language islands, that were spread all over East Europe, states that identified in former centuries as Germans, such as Luxemburg, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, the Netherlands, parts of Belgium.

I didn´t mention the Saarland and partition of Germany into 4 zones in that map, too.

For more information, check:

Treaty of Versailles:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_o…

Potsdam conference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_…

Jalta conference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Co…

Expulsion of the Germans:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_a…
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bartpaaddiator Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015
Silesia remembers its heritage. We are not German, but not Polish either, history is not black and white after all. But it was Germany that created the Silesian heavy industry and it has to be noted.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe Silesia can become an independant land and
connect both, polish and german culture that existed
there?
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NSLC Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015
Schleswig-Holstein was a Danish duchy before the Prussians stole it during the war in 1864 against Denmark, Holstein was German speaking but Schleswig was mixed Danish German. and both had been linked to Denmark long before there was something called germany.
Therefore, it is wrong to say that Germany lost Southern Jutland by the referendum in 1920, when there have been Danish dominated for more than 400 years and only under Prussian supremacy in 56 years.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The current border is more or less perfect I´d say,
there is nothing to get back.

But only because Danes ruled over Germans a long time,
doesn´t mean these Germans had no right to join the unification
of their real fatherland.
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jedi00j Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
Es ist wahrlich eine Schande, was uns weggenommen wurde. Deutschland bestand mal zu einem großen Teil aus Preußen, jetzt gehört ein großer Teil Preußens den Polen und das nur, weil Stalin unbedingt die Ostländer neu aufteilen wollte, um Russland zu vergrößern. Gebt uns Preußen zurück!
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Da hast du recht, allerdings habe ich natürlich keinen Hass gegen die normalen
Polen, die können wenig dafür. Leider können wir die Gebiete auch kaum zurückfordern,
wir hätten nicht mal genug Menschen, die dort hinziehen könnten und die jetzigen Polen
zu vertreiben würde wahrsch. sofort Krieg bedeuten.
Aber zumindest möchte ich, dass man auch darüber lernt, und sie Respekt erhalten.
In Ungarn sind sie damit am weitesten, sie haben viele Denkmäler gebaut, sich entschuldigt
und heißen alle Deutschen wieder willkommen. Wirklich wundervolle Menschen.
In Polen ist es so 50/ 50 und den größten Hass hab ich von Tschechen erfahren,
den die hatten ja im Vergleich zu anderen kaum Verbrechen erlitten im Krieg
und haben aus purem Hass die Sudetendeutschen vertrieben, von wo auch ich Vorfahren habe.
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jedi00j Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015
Ich stimme dir voll und ganz zu. Was geschehen ist, lässt sich nicht mehr ungeschehen machen. So sehr ich mich auch danach sehne, Preußen wieder komplett Deutsch zu machen, wäre das wohl mittlerweile ein Unrecht, weil man damit die Polen, die das Land nun ihre Heimat nennen, von dort vertreiben müsste.
Nach dem 1. Weltkrieg stand es nicht gut um uns und die Weimarer Republik hat alles nur noch schlimmer gemacht, aber das 3. Reich hat dann letztendlich unsere Exekution unterschrieben. Im Jahre 1933 ist meiner Meinung nach das Deutsche Reich, auf das ich stolz bin untergegangen. Am Besten wäre es gewesen, hätten wir uns nie in den Konflikt Österreichs eingemischt und somit zumindest versucht, den 1. Weltkrieg aufzuhalten. Dann wären wir das stolze Deutsche Kaiserreich geblieben, das wir vor bis fast 100 Jahre (bis 1918) waren.
Die Weimarer Republik hat versucht, das, was unter dem Joch des Versailler Vertrag noch zu retten war, noch zu retten, hat im Endeffekt aber leider auch nur die NSDAP an die Macht gebracht. Hätte sich die Weimarer Republik damals etwas gegen die militärischen Auflagen versucht zu wehren, hätte vielleicht die Reichswehr die NSDAP nicht so unterstützt (Vor Allem Hindenburg, der als ehemaliger Militär der OHL natürlich Hitler mit offenen Armen empfing).
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Es gibt eine winzige Hoffnung, die Russen die in dem jetzigen
Mini-Ostpreußen leben, wollen die preußische Kultur dort wieder
aufleben lassen, die Altstadt wieder aufbauen, die Stadt umbenennen...
Aber es wird dann wohl eher ein 4. baltischer Staat, als dass es zu uns
zurückkehrt.
Theoretisch könnte man Preußen aber in Brandenburg+Berlin wieder
errichten, was ja eh die Kernprovinz Preußens war.

Also ich hab mal den bestseller von Herr Clark "Die Schlafwandler" gelesen,
zum 1. Weltkrieg. Seiner Meinung nach, hätten wir den 1. Weltkrieg kaum
verhindern können.

Denn 1. Wollte Frankreich seit 1871 Rache, Elsass-Lothringen und hat dementsprechend
über Jahrzehnte alle Großmächte gegen Deutschland aufgehetzt.
2. Russland wollte die Meerengen bei Konstantinopel, denen ging es auch nicht um
die Rettung der Slawen, Serbien war nur Mittel zum Zweck, Bulgarien z.B. haben
sie sich sogar zum Feind gemacht.
3. England ist einfach auf die Seite gegangen, von der sie sich am meisten erhofft haben.

Man hat also eh schon daran gearbeitet das dominierende Deutschland zu zerschlagen.
Der Blankoscheck an Österreich sollte den Krieg ja verhindern, sie dachten die anderen
Mächte wollen keinen Großkrieg wegen so einem unwichtigen Land wie Serbien riskieren.
Dabei haben sie schon lange einen großen Krieg gewollt und geplant, sie brauchten nur
einen guten Grund.

Und das Versailler Diktat war ja die direkte Saat für den nächsten Krieg.

Du scheinst sehr geschichtlich interessiert zu sein, hättest du Lust in Skype oder einem
neuen Forum mitzureden? Wenn ja, schreib mir eine PN :)
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Sergios117 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015
God damn it Stalin, revenge was what defined him. The move was stupid and heartless on his part. He should have kept the Eastern lands all Prussian rather than annexing East Prussia into the USSR and giving significant land to Poland, a country that doesn't even like Russia.

Imagine how much more powerful the GDR (or PDR if renamed) would have been and helped the Eastern Bloc, but no. Stalin had to be an ass. 

Although interestingly, Stalin's foreign policy was based on Imperial Russian convictions and reclaiming its territories rather than spreading communism in Europe. Ironic because that pleb was Georgian. :P

And the west fucked over Germany as well yeah. Interestingly, the British and French colonial atrocities that spanned hundreds of years surpass whatever the Germans did and their fuckery can still be felt today in their former colonies.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lol communism is so full of lies, they say they act against imperialists,
and what is the first thing he does after victory? Imperialism!

Yeah the GDR could be rather strong, it was anyway one of the best in
the block.
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Sergios117 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2015
I'd say Stalin was full of lies rather than the communism itself (because Stalin killed all the old Bolsheviks), but HE CALLED HIMSELF THE FUCKING RED TSAR. Psychopath.

And East Germany was best Warsaw Pact nation. (Best Germany was Kaiserreich hands down followed by Prussia under Frederik the great). :D

Also, do people really forget that the French and British were even worse when they managed their empires? Centuries of violence that people forget.
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015
i think that the best Europe, strictly as for the geographical asset (no political), was between the two wars, Germany and many other countries were in the right shape and Europe was well balanced ^^ 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mh sorry I don´t agree, the imperial age before the 1. world war was the best in my opinion^^
However I have no problem when Italy gets extra Trentino and Triest from Austria.
Austria-Hungary was in my opinion a very great state construction and on the best way to
become a mini EU, too, and Germany lost way too many regions after ww 1. of which many
were even in majority german.
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015
oh come on, i mean, of course you prefer when germany is bigger and you like austria-hungary because german was the dominating culture, but just try to see the bigger picture with a neutral eye, interwar Europe was much more equilibrated, Germany size was still no bad, even if some germans were excluded (or you prefer today size!? ^^), plus the austrian-hungarian empire was hated by everyone excluse for Austrians and, partially, Hungarians, i don't really see how it could become a mini EU :( (Sad) 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hahaha XD Niemals, remove interwar borders! XD

I don´t care for Austria-Hungary actually, they should´ve merged with us :P
The german part. Lol ofc, everything is better than now, but 1871 borders is
even much better XD

U r only greedy for Tirol, remove Lore! XD But hey Trentino is fully yours in my opinion,
Südtirol nah! :P
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015
Mmm, still i think interwar was the best, anyway

ALTO ADIGE IST ITALIEN!!!! XD
(seriously)
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Al3ssio97 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2015
South Tirol is Italian :) Anyway we protect the minoranze of germans, and South Tirol with Sardinia, Sicily, Valle d'Aoste and Friuli is one of the region at special statute 
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2015
Not totally Italian, culturally speaking, but South Tyrol is, was, and always will be Italy, geographically speaking, so it stays in the Italian Republic, whatever Germans (Austrians, depending on how you considerate them) still should be protected, on the other hand Istria should be Italian too :D (Big Grin) 
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Al3ssio97 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2015
Yess, with Dalmatia :) 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don´t know Alto Adige, I only know Spaghetti Tirol and Kaiserschmarrn Tirol XD
if you know what I mean :P

But I love Italy, you are such nice people, the family at the Lago di Garda we always visited was
so awesome...as kid I said I marry their daughter later hahaha XD
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LoreC10 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015
Ok then "Kaiserschmarrn Tirol" ist Italien, better? ^^
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
AHAHAH hey u troll me that´s not fair :P
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Xydis-2000 Featured By Owner May 21, 2015  Hobbyist Writer

I love to read the comments in here. It is nice to see that many not-German understand what we (our grandparents) were going through.

Personally I don’t see a way to get the land back, that we lost and since the current structure settled for 70years it could only hurt the people that are currently life there. As much as I would like to move the borders around to get back (parts of) the old Prussian land, I am educated enough to know that the polish people suffered as much as we did (maybe more) and they deserve to stay where they life right now.

 

A way to become more powerful (if we want that) is to expand our footprint in the EU. Germany is the most powerful economy in the EU and that is what is counting in the 21th Century.
When the crises around Greece told me something, than that all EU is already looking at Germany and follow our lead. I kind of like that, even when it means, that we have to pay the biggest part of the cake.

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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 21, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The biggest problems are Germans who have often no bit of a patriotic feeling XD

No at the moment we can´t get any of those, the only realistic scenario I could imagine is
that in the future Austria, Südtirol and Eupen-Malmedy join us, but else...no. Even more because
we have a big demographic problem, we get no children.

If Germany accepts it´s role as a leader it can work, but Germany is still very zaghaft
and scared to be called a Nazi land again, even tho they do it anyway if they flame us XD
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SwiggitySwagBrah Featured By Owner May 7, 2015  Student General Artist
I don't believe areas like Posen, Alsace Lorraine, and Northern Schleswig really belonged to Germany. But a lot of the areas I believe still do belong to Germany. The Sudetenland is debatable though. I have grandparents from Silesia and East Pomerania (Stettin) and I believe those areas are German Possessions.  I once read that the Polish and Russians were scared that the Germans would buy back the land, but since the German economy in the east is already so bad, they wouldn't want to make it worse by buying back land. I like to think of it like this, the maps of countries always change. One day Germany may get those places back, and even if they don't, remember who is the best country in europe and basically controls the european union. Whenever Merkel makes a decision it effects all of Europe. Since the European union exists now, I like to think of all of the nations in the union as German possessions. Like I said before, Germany basically controls europe, plus so many countries have to pay back their debt to Germany. 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 7, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I´d say this should be Germany if you go after a ethnical definition:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

And this should be Germany, if you go after political and historical region borders:

www.deviantart.com/art/Greater…

Posen was mostly polish and Poland deserves it, that´s right I agree.
With Alsace-Lorraine u r wrong, cause 88% of them were always Germans,
only the region around Metz is historically french, which is only a small part of it.
Northern Schleswig shall be danish, I´m fine.
Sudetenland is rightful german, but we can´t get all that regions anyway.

Germany is in a big leading position true, but not very patriotic, Merkel won´t do much
for german interests, and our president travels every month to another state kneeing down
for german crimes decades ago, showing how weak and soft Germany became, while noone
else would do that for their own crimes.

For example I could celebrate America as liberator maybe...but Russia??? Not less worse than
Nazi Germany deserves surely no respect, only because it won.
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pj202718 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015
If you guys are so smart, why is it that you blindly followed imbecile leaders into two wars you never stood a chance in a billion of ever winning?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Before you judge the Germans in such a negative ignorant way, you should know more about
german history:

Around 1 hour 13 mins, you can see a short compilation of that time:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGFmt…

Here is the full episode of Stresemann, but sadly only in German, maybe the pictures you
see are enough to understand:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_Nqq…
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The first world war was not our fault and I´m kinda sure that all empires and nations
that took part in the war blindly followed, so what?

The second world war is a direct seed of the Versailles dictate, do you even know how
harsh this dictate was, and that the people voted Hitler not because he hated jews,
but because he reversed this dictate? Until 1939, he got back nearly all german settled
regions with no single fight, the economy was blooming, the people had work,
so it´s obvious they followed him.
What he then did was just criminal and I hate him for that, but it´s actually very easy to
understand why they followed him, when you know what the allied did to Germany,
and how awful the crisis in the Weimarer Republic were.
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pj202718 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015
The problem is that if you get that land back, it sort of means that all the shit we had to go through putting Hitler down kinda counts for nothing. That doesn't sit well with someone like me whose grandfather had to fight in both wars. 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So you fought that the Russians can kill the Eastgermans and steal their land,
was that the goal of the allied? Are you even aware what you talk here???

Or is it true, that this was not a fight against nazism, but against the german people?
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pj202718 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2015
I'm aware that Stalin wasn't going to just let bygones be bygones. You had the bad luck to provoke an even bigger, more murderous jerk and, well, too much time has passed to put the genie back in the bottle. In a few years, it's all going to stop being real except for a few hold-outs who have Sudeten ancestry  and some of the people who claim to be the official succesor to the Kaiser's Germeny. 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes but the truth that the expulsion of the Germans was an allied crime will never end, lol.

Noone wants that regions back it´s unrealistic, but we want respect and I have ancestors
from the Sudetenland, too, so you shouldn´t speak so respectless about that poor people.

At the end always the normal people suffer, no reason to treat on their feelings.
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pj202718 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2015
If it makes you feel any better, the British never did like the more insane parts of the Versailles treaty. They wanted someone to buy their stuff, not get their own back for making a swath of Northern France UXO-land. 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes I know, but please be nice!
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wulfeburgoyne Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Germany should take back every square inch of their land. What many Americans don't seem to understand is "homeland", or heimat as the Germans call it, is more than just a place of birth or a national identity, the land is part of the German soul. And to have that taken away, mutilated, is to mutilate the German soul. I do not by any means condone what the Nazi party did to the Jews and other ethnic minorities, however I also do not condone the mutilation and shame brought to Germany. The rise of Adolf Hitler is a direct response to the dishonorable destruction of Germany after world war 1 by France and Great Britain via Treaty of Versallies, keep in mind France was restored as a world power after Napoleon Bonaparte was deposed.
Furthermore I get the feeling that many Germans are afraid of their own success because the shame they endured. Germany should abandon the EU and create their own Empire. See how well the rest of Europe would do without Germany supporting the continent economically.  
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You´re right, sadly there was done a thing that really defeated us after ww 2.
After ww 1. they tried to destroy us by material, this didn´t work. But after ww 2.
it was reeducation, teaching all Germans to lose any pride or patriotism, to accept the allied
as liberators that did everything right and that´s why we are economically strong
but our spirit is weak, we´re very ungerman today. We Germans were made to produce
but not to rule from 1945 on. That´s the thing that is going wrong atm.

However I don´t want revenge or hate the normal people of these victor nations.
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wulfeburgoyne Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Do you personally believe that Germany will one day rise again? Or do you think all is lost?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I still have hope, I can´t imagine the Germans that suffered so much and rose again and again,
will now fall because of leftist traitor policy, that would be too sad. But it will a harsh fight.
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vkhantil Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2015
Awesome
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thx^^
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ZehirAhsen Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015
Portraying Germany as victims in WW2. Well, it's not that they genoicided millions of people, ruined half of Europe and planned to wipe out all of the Jews, Slavs, Balts etc. And it wasn't also that Prussia was ruining their neighboors life since it has liberated from the polish rule. It was a plot of the anglo-jewish powers to destroy proud germanium race!

Oh my. Some of you, germans, are sometimes so pathetic, it's even funny.

You said Prussia was heart of Germany.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia… - Well, prussians were the most devout followers of Hitler. Prussia needed to be destroyed to guarantee germans will remain quiet.

Germany commited crimes and it was punished. And stop whining that Germany was hurt. It wasn't saint itself.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well Germans killed civilians in the east, and the red army killed civilians in the east + local supporters.
And I think wether a polish farmer wife, nor a german farmer wife in that regions were guilty for their government,
so both were victims.
Or are german victims less worth to you than others?

I think no German would deny german crimes, we worked a lot with our past.

Prussia united our nation and Bismarck was our greatest leader ever. That´s the time I´m proud of.
But don´t forget, Hitler didn´t let come back Wilhelm II, he had no interest in Prussia or the old monarchy,
it were only people he needed to manipulate.

"Germany commited crimes and it was punished. And stop whining that Germany was hurt. It wasn't saint itself."

But you know that the rise of Hitler has a pre-story and you know it didn´t happen without reason?
We have a saying: Hitler was born in Versailles.

And don´t tell me Poles didn´t dream about a gigantic Poland, up to the regions of Berlin, too,
some of your generals even wanted to invade Germany in the early 30s, because we had no army
until 1935.

So you can continue making fun of murdered people, no matter which nationality, or change ur mind.
I respect Poland and I´m sorry for the damage the Nazis did, if you wanna continue to hate...I can´t change it.
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ZehirAhsen Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2015
Well, at first I thought you are one of the "Hurr Durr gib back Posen" guys. I was wrong, so I will change my attitude.

I know about pre-story of Hitler and treaty od Versailles. But, guys who tell Versailles was bad, forget about 1871, when Prussians provoked France into war, humiliated them completely, took Alsace-Lorraine and forced them to pay giant contributions. What's ironic, they mutiliated them in same Versailes they were mutilated themselves forty years later. But it is nothing strange the French wanted revenge. The situation was even worse when Wilhelm II started to threathen everyone.

The lands taken in the Versailles weren't really german lands. I agree that population of Alsace was mostly german, but a lot of french lived in Lorraine. Northern Schleswig was danish, and Poznan and corridor was mostly polish. I agree, that there were germans who lived there, but german minority wasn't that big, and it was treated much better than poles in Germany in XIX century. Upper Silesia is debatable, but there were three uprising against Germany here. But I have to admit, that South Tirol was and is inhabited by germans.

About the other things in Versailles, I agree that punishment on Germany after WWI was a bit too much.

About Poland controlling Berlin, that is the first time I ever hear of this. It's shame that Polabian Slavs dissapeared, but I don't blame Germany for this. Only thing I would wish, is something to protect Lusatian Serb culture from extinction.

And about invasion in the thirty years, there were plans like this, but they were plans of preventive war to overthrow Hitler. They didn't do it, and six years later, when germans had monstrous war machine it was too late to stop them.

And, to clarify, I don't hate Germany. I like german history, but there is one thing. Poznan and corridor are polish.
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Rodegas Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015
German culture can't help much Lusatian Serb where young people are unfortunately not very interested in their heritage, and Germans can't even help them in traditional dancing, like if there is insufficient number of partners or something, since Germans don't dance slavic dances. 

I heard that one time there was more Slovaks dancing Lusatian Serb dances then the real Lusatian Serb.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No I don´t dislike Poland, why should I it was 70 years ago, and you´re the normal people
you know what expulsion is, the Russians did the same to you. I´m sure Poles understand
very well how it feels to lose the home.

And you also know the pre history of 1871? That France attacked the german states since 200-300 years?
There were about 12-15 aggressions, the Rheinland was burnt down several times, palaces and castles
in Baden destroyes, Napoleon even wanted to erase the whole german identity in large parts.

France reacted more childish actually, it was normal for it since centuries to bully others and always win,
and suddenly Prussia our hero stopped them and said fuck off, Germany won´t allow anymore that you
bully it. XD

Instead of then working for a peace, France moved on the way of hate and revenge, one (of very many!) reason for the
1. world war.

Well I would´ve given Poland all polish settled regions, like Poznan, which was an important region of your culture.
The rest was extremely mixed and there were many language islands. Maybe an exchange would´ve helped?

Yes the westslavic tribes disappeared, as our east germanic tribes disappeared, but it was as u say, not the fault
of Germany or Poland, it was a natural, non-political migration.

I think we agree more than u think^^ However, we surely can respect each other now, I mean eternal hate?
Nah please not^^
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DannetSink Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015
Wow....they really expelled the germans?thats a big mistake,they cant just expelled people out of there homes,is not fair,hoever did this will pay dearly for it.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes they did, when the Germans lost the world war, they started the biggest expulsion of history,
15 million civilians had to leave their homes, 2-3 million were killed on their way to the west.
Most of them were women, children and elder men, since the other men fought, were fallen
or in siberia already :/
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DannetSink Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015
Wow.....15 million!?its it me or are the allies nuts!?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Russia wanted to get more territory, and the western allied allowed it.
That´s also the reason why they abolished Prussia (German: Preußen) in 1947,
it was our strongest and best german state, the state that united our nation in 1871,
and they wanted to kill our heart state, so they can controll us easier.
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DannetSink Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2015
O deer,well that not good.
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