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The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871 The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871
Notice: This map was not created to offend anyone, but to educate and show historical facts,
constructive critik is always welcome, hate-comments not.

This is a map showing the territories that Germany, and german-speaking territories that Austria lost,
between 1919 and today. For every region you see the name and the date, when it was taken from Germany,
some regions were taken twice after every world war. A short description about the regions:

Federal Republic of Germany: Germany today

Austria: Anschluss forbidden in 1919, the Republic German-Austria containing all ethnical Germans
from Austria-Hungary was forbidden as well. It united with Germany in 1938 and left Germany again
after the downfall of the 3. Reich.

Northern Schleswig: Lost after a referendum in 1919, because most of the residents were danish,
Southern Schleswig was allowed to stay in Germany.

Eupen-Malmedy: Small german communities lost in 1919 and again in 1945.

Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen): Lost in 1919 and again in 1945, around 90% of the residents
are Germans, Metz and the region around was always french.

South Tyrol (Südtirol): Lost 1919 and never reunited with the rest of Tyrol. Even tho Italy tried
to erase everything German there, still 70% of the residents are Germans today.

Kanaltal, South Styria (Südsteiermark), Ödenburg etc.: Smaller german regions around Austria
claimed for German-Austria, but not allowed by the allied. Most of the Germans there were
expelled, left because of bad conditions or were assimilated.

Sudetenland: Claimed by German-Austria, but forbidden by the allied. United with Germany in 1938,
lost after 1945. 99% of the Germans killed or expelled.

West Prussia (Westpreußen), Posen, Danzig: Lost in 1919 and again in 1945. Posen was mainly settled
by Poles, West-Prussia was mixed and created the so called corridor, one of many reasons that leaded
to a war with Poland.

East-Prussia (Ostpreußen): Separated from the german mainland in 1919, lost in 1945, all Germans were killed or expelled.

Pommerania (Pommern), East Brandenburg and Silesia (Schlesien): Lost in 1945, nearly all Germans were killed or expelled.

Upper-Silesia (Oberschlesien): Lost 1922 and again 1945, nearly all Germans killed or expelled.

Not included: Language islands, that were spread all over East Europe, states that identified in former centuries as Germans, such as Luxemburg, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, the Netherlands, parts of Belgium.

I didn´t mention the Saarland and partition of Germany into 4 zones in that map, too.

For more information, check:

Treaty of Versailles:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_o…

Potsdam conference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_…

Jalta conference:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Co…

Expulsion of the Germans:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_a…
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:iconheliosmegistos:
HeliosMegistos Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015
Whatever my views on German actions during the two World Wars I personally find it disgusting that so much territory was literally torn away from her. There was no justification for it during the First World War's end.

I've always viewed Austria as having it's own unique German identity however so I usually have it staying as the Danubian Federation or something in my alternate histories with the Hapsburgs in charge.
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015
Yes the expulsion of Germans was the biggest in history as I read, and that in the civilized Europe...
But always the normal people are punished :/

Well Austria was for 500 years the german state, dominating and ruling all other states,
the german history us unthinkable without Austria. However in the time of nations
Austria cared more for its nongerman posessions in the east it lost later anyway,
than for the german unity, so Prussia took the chance and united most of the Germans.
Austria was supposed to unite with it later, and 1918/19 wished to do so:

arminius1871.deviantart.com/ar…

But the Allied who wanted to weaken the Germans as much as possible, didn´t allow that.
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Bellumsaur Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
What's saddening about this was that, in the case of WW1, Germany wasn't really to blame for causing the War (that was all Serbia's doing). They merely just honored treaties regarding Austria-Hungary just as Russia and France had honored treaties regarding Serbia but Britain and France were contempt with removing such a potential rival for dominance in Europe without realizing about the consequences of their arrogance.

With Potsdam, it was mostly Stalin strong-fisting the Western Allies who were unwilling to seek a confrontation with the Soviet dictator. The surrender of much of Eastern Europe to Stalin's brand of Marxist ideology and the vast quantities of German refugees fleeing their homes in what would be ceded to Poland, Czechoslovakia, and "Kaliningrad Oblast" is pretty a much a testament to how Europe merely replaced one hegemonic tyranny with another after the war.
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014
Absolutely true, I don´t say Germany is no bit to blame, but I blame mainly
Serbia, France and Russia (their diplomats and governments, not the normal people).

Germany did the treaty with Austria, to avoid the war, because Wilhelm thought, France and Russia know,
if they do shit, they trigger a continental war. But they didn´t care, they wanted the war.

Indeed Russia wanted to grow, so they pushed Germans and Poles westwards, it was also Russia that demanded
to abolish Prussia in 1947 officially. Prussia the heart and unificator (hope the right word^^) of our nation, the best
and strongest state. And they destroyed them, so we would be ununited again.
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EIRivero Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014
One of my teacher  told ous that the treaty was an abuse wich did no one a favor in the long run.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014
The Versailles one? Indeed it caused directly the next war, because such arrogance and hate
can never lead to peace ofc.
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EIRivero Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014
pretty much, in fact, I never understod why take the Posen and Dazing. In Posen case, it will have been enought with the polish just getting free pass to te sea no to give them historical and ethnical territory of the germans.
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2014
I don´t say that Germany didn´t do any mistakes, but 1918 was the chance for Europe to end all wars...
what did they do instead...seed for the next one great XD The main problem that the USA joined this war.
Only that caused, that Germany and France/ Britain could not make a peace on eye level. A huge mistake,
an egoistic mistake so the USA can rise on the cost of Europe.
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EIRivero Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2014
Well, in certain way it was inevitable that the United States will join the war... for a political point of view. I mean, before the great war the United States was satisfied whit only working in the continent, being the main surce of power on it, so it made sence that eventualy they decided that they needed the aproval of Europe to enter in the game of world politics i what better oportunity that enter the war in the very last estages when nobody could have put objection to this. To be honest, the war pretty much detroyed some things that maybe will be worth to try today.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014
Sure from their view it was the best chance, from the other side,
it was an egoistic move to damage others for the own profit.
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EIRivero Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014
Yes, is was an egoistical move, but is part of the filosophy of power that they follow. One of my techers, José Luis Orozco had writed abaut it in his book "Filosofía Norteamericana del poder". As a mexican I see examples of this pragmatic set of values that they follow... not that other places are whitout them. On top of that, remember that the EUA es is a very young nation that still wants the aproval (in certain forms) of the older nations.
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014
Sure I understand the move, but it was a big damage for us and Europe.
America also orders our medias to make Russians the new modern devil now,
but most people don´t trust the medias anymore.
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PAPhilly Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014
So, here's a question: who would win in an all out, scorched earth, winner kills everyone on the loser's side fight: WWII era Germany or the Federal Republic of Germany we all know and love today? Also, JUST those two; no other countries involved. And just for fun, let's say it's Nazi Germany at the height of its extent in WWII (so from France to the Soviet Union, with ALL those resources) I think WWII Germany would advance pretty far just with numerical advantages, but FRG would win in the end with their superior technology. Thoughts?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014
The modern Germany would never win XD The Wehrmacht would just outnumber the mini Bundeswehr.
They could not be everywhere. Also the moral and motivation of the Wehrmacht was one of the best in history
they would fight to the bitter end, while the Bundeswehr is more like: ach it´s just a job XD

We do not even have nuclear weapons, just some great jet fighter and tanks, but the old Germany would win^^
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PAPhilly Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014
I don't know; I heard the Leopard II is a REALLY good tank (it is half M1 Abrams after all, and THOSE can be outnumbered twenty to one and still beat back their attackers) Plus, wouldn't the morale of the Bundeswehr go up a bit more when they're defending their homeland instead of fighting in some far off Middle Eastern nation?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014
But Germans vs Germans? XD I think the Bundeswehr, where many admire
the old soldiers, would not want to fight them maybe.
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:iconpaphilly:
PAPhilly Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2014
True, but let's just assume that they did want to fight.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014
Hm Then maybe they could win, even tho I guess the BRD is much more dependant on
import and export, than the 3. Reich was.
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PAPhilly Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2014
True; plus the Nazis have that whole empire, while modern Germany is just Germany. The Nazis would probably be able to just scorch FRG's agriculture; starve them into submission. So FRG's only real hope is to hit them HARD early in the war before the Nazis can get on their territory.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2014
U wanna make a pic of that?
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014  New member
Just to clarify, in French we say Alsace-Moselle and not Alsace-lorraine because Prussian taken only Moselle department during Franco-Prussian war.

After you say 90% of the residents are Germans, but it's in partly false, let's me explain, this is not to relaunch the controversy, yes they're speaking and become (again) german after Prussian win, but for French people, nation is not a language, so even this people speaking German language they are french and Alsace is really an important territory in their history, the first time where Marseillaise is singing is in Alsace, Mulhouse join French republic with a referendum, marechal Kellermann, ... 

So yes they are german (language, culture, ...)  in this time but also French (history, culture, ...) and during first world war, and for them they just think recover a French territory. 

And don't forget Germany was create at Versaille (old French capital, after Prussia humiliate them and asking lot of money ) I'm not saying that they had reason to do that, but for them it was just a revenge of the Franco-Prussian War.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
I know, what you call Moselle is for us Ostlothringen (East Lorraine).

Nope, they were not only ethnically german by language, but also genetically.
And in Strassburg the first newspaper of the world was printed, by Germans in the german language,
it was for many centuries even under french occupation an important german university city,
and if u look around in Elsass, I see german architecture, german christmas markets, german folk songs...
But the radical french language politics brainwashed them to believe they´re not Germans anymore,
and the german language is nearly killed :( . Not meant offending, just a fact, even when it´s very directly.

But my friend, 1870/71 was a mistake the French did, they declared the war and ran into Bismarcks trap.
That´s something I never understood, instead of saying, yep was a mistake, now let´s be friends,
France started an attitude of hate and revenge...but for what? That Germany didn´t allow France invades it
again and again and for the first time strikes back?
If you know your old foreign minister Poincarre you know that he was one of the main reasons for the 1. world war.

I respect France and admire it´s great history, but sometimes I think the French forget, that they invaded
Germany dozens of times, inventing nonsense like the Rhein must be a border, no matter what people and culture
is there, and Germany was mostly defensive in history.

But look how clear the ethnical borders were in the west always:

www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/…

Again I have nothing against France, I think Napoleon was cool, but I also demand truth.
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014  New member
I'm totally agree with you the Franco-Prussian war is a French fault. But lot of French historians think that's Parliament which launched this war after the defeat he's blamed Napoleon III, and it used the feeling of revenge to destroy second empire and proclaimed third republic, but they were overwhelmed by the feeling they create and people pushed them to a new war. "if you play with fire, you get burned " :D. If Poincarre  doesn't want the war i'm pretty sur, people never voted for him.

I never say "Elsass is not a german territory", yes she's german, but i say she's also french.

about the massacre of the German language, it's also necessary put things in context, before the war, Alsace was really a decentralized region and having many great privilege, that's why the majority of people speak German while they were French, during several centuries.  

Massacre of the German language begins only after the First World to avoid a new invasion of Germany based on Pan-Germanism (it's a very bad think, because for me French is not a nation of language, but only of culture and Friendship between French regions).

For me Germans are brothers of Frenchs, and I think if Bismarck would have done the same thing he make with Austria before and not asking any territorial concessions, just abandoning the empire and proclamation republic, he would have put France to his boot and Germany win the first world war.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
Oh as I read Napoleon III didn´t want a war directly, but we always forget, even in a monarchy the king is not the only
one with power. Many ministers, generals etc. forced him to start the war. But still it was a mistake.

I always thought it would´ve been a nice idea to make Elsass a puffer state like Belgium, with bilingual raised people.

A french friend told me the difference between Germany and France, Germans and French.
For France the nation is just the regions you own. For Germans, there must be also ethnic-genetical ties,
which mostly connects with the language area, but not always. Like today, the people in Elsass are still
ethnic Germans, but national French.

I understand why France is doing this language politics, but that doesn´t mean it´s nice or good^^

For me, modern France and Germany are the best partners, the heart of Europe and the best nations
here at the moment, ruling together. If our modern friendship is strong and can forgive the old rivalry,
we will have a great time in the future.

I have a long text where Bismarck explains why he took also Metz, and not just the german Elsass and East-Lorraine.
Maybe I can translate and upload it. But u surely know already, Metz was taken not because Germany had a right to do so,
but to have a better situation in a new war. As far as I know they never tried to force the French there to learn German,
and they built many great buildings in that 50 years.

Bonne nuit mon ami ;)
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Rheinbund Featured By Owner Edited Dec 16, 2014  New member
Merci et bonjour :D

Yes i read about it, France has make a big stronghold in Metz, so he took it in order to avoid that France used it in the next war Bismlarck was persuade French want their revanche. This is also why the France has been so hard with Germany at Versaille, she was convinced Prussain was going to want revenge, it was necessary to weaken as much as possible to avoid it.

Make a new state a puffer state, you want the death of France ? :D. If we took map of nationalist language (France is very, very little) by exemple, Rousillon is Castillan,  corse is Italien, Brittany, Savoie is independant, French overseas department isn't French, North territories are Flamish, ....

And i'm pretty sur, French become forbidden in Moselle, and was fought because he was language of enemy(but after it, Prussian become relaxed for that because there were too many French speaker in Moselle)abd the problem (for German reich) is that most of Germanic settlers arrived because they were Francophiles and loved French culture, paradoxically it is they who have permitted the French to survive or progress in this zone.

Yes, in begining, Prussians really try to treat well Alsace-Lorraine they consider them like friends brothers.

but after it's spoiled, there was a lot of trouble and some Alsatian decided to join the French camp during the first world war (18000 i think) and during this war Prussian soldiers have really brutalized the population ( Savern affair(just before), "Wer zaudert noch?", ...) as the saying Alexander Hohenlohe.
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Warsie Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Also I'd be fucking pissed about my land stolen from me by the fucking Allies. At leaat you should unify Austria and mainlan Germany together :(
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
We can´t we´re too unpatriotic, the western peoples are weak today,
they have no pride or self-confidence, more like vasalls of America by own will.
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Warsie Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I like this site on expelled Germans: expelledgermans.org/
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
Thy for the good link!
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YamaLama1986 Featured By Owner Edited Dec 12, 2014   Digital Artist
On the post-war settlement of the Eastern Front of World War II, the transferring of massive amounts of territory that had an ethnic German majority prior to massive displacement of the population fleeing for fear of persecution by Soviet soldiers, was very controversial.

As for World War I, speaking about the European territorial arrangements, the armistice agreements on territorial matters were moderate for Germany but radical for the former Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Empire. The armistices' official refusal to allow the rump state of Austria to join Germany after it lost all its connections to its economic links in the economically important Bohemia, was in my view very reckless and responsible for escalating economic hardship in Austria. It was the reparations, disarmament procedures, French occupation of the Ruhr, and loss of all of Germany's colonies that were the most controversial parts of the Treaty of Versailles in my opinion.

The post-World War I borders were very similar to borders that Poland had with German states until about a century prior to WWI, plus the regions that Germany had to cede to Poland after WWI had substantial numbers of Poles in them. Poland wanted access to the Baltic Sea to insure that it could have merchant trade without having to send it through territory of another country to reach the sea.  Plus Konigsberg wasn't that far away and planes and boats could go to it from mainland Germany and back from it if Poland wouldn't let vehicles cross its borders to reach Konigsberg. Alsace-Lorraine, Schleswig-Holstein, and Eupen-Malmedy were all recently acquired territories taken by Prussia from other countries. France had possessed Alsace-Lorraine for centuries by the time it was annexed by the armistice with Prussia in 1870 after the Franco-Prussian War, so it had legitimate grievances in World War I to make claims to that land. Remember that France did not like Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points that promoted national self-determination - France wanted re-establishement of a previous state of affairs.

For me, it is the post-WWII eastern European borders that are the really controversial borders in twentieth century European history. Though what was very controversial in post-WWI was the French occupation of the Ruhr, and I think that the refusal to permit Austria to join Germany, after it was  economically crippled after the war, was reprehensible and the cause of immense hardship for Austrians immediately after the war.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
The Versailles treaty was done not only to punish Germany and Austria,
but to humiliate them, it was definitly the seed for the next war. And the french
government has the main guilt for this disaster, out of arrogance they did it. That´s fact.
They knew Germany was stronger, so they wanted to force this giant to become weaker...
but the Germans of that time had honour and pride, of course it could only lead to new hate and war.

The civilized solution would´ve been a peace on eye level making perfect ethnical borders and referendums
in all regions. But France did not think about a referendum in Elsass-Lothringen at any point,
it was sooo obvious for them, they may steal it again...even tho 88% of the people there were Germans,
except the region around Metz.
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YamaLama1986 Featured By Owner Edited Dec 15, 2014   Digital Artist
Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Treaty of Versailles was designed to humiliate Germany and the consequence was the rise of a climate of desire for revenge in Germany that inevitably would have led to World War II whether or not Hitler had risen to power - it may have been a much different WWII, but a WWII nonetheless. I posted a fuller and more detailed comment on your main page. I apologize if I left out important details, that was not my intention, Versailles had many facets, and my comments here can never do justice to describe the full context of Versailles that entire books have been written to describe.

It's when you see what Clemenceau wanted to do that you can see that Wilson and Clemenceau made a compromise, that was still devastating to Germany. Clemenceau's ideas were, to put it bluntly, insane and wrathful, he was a disgrace to the Allies of World War I. France needed a leader who was less of a hothead to negotiate at the peace talks. Clemenceau appealed to populist French desires for revenge, but had he been more courageous, he should have rejected that sort of wrath that always comes about from long and bitter wars and made the sort of peace that Charles de Gaulle eventually worked out - even though he had every reason to be even more angry at Germany after WWII - to break the tensions between France and Germany and economically integrate them to prevent future war.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
No prob I´ll read the other comment then.

I also read clemenceau was milder, but as u say he didn´t do it as de Gaulle.
Even tho also de gaulle never was interested in splitting up elsass-lothringen
along the ethnical border, but save it for france -.- XD
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Neetsfagging322297 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014
Poles and Czechs never appreciated communism all along? Then they should give up its gifts.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014
Time will heal the wounds of communism :)
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lucas7500 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014
I blame,Stalin,Serbia and the French.
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014
It´s sadly true, tho I don´t blame the normal people of that nations ofc.
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lucas7500 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014
Well,i blame Stalin because him and his ideology that is "equality" killed million and they still hate more Hitler how killed less than his communist "friends" just look at Mao Tse Tung,Pol Pot,Stalin...i would love to see Lenin dead before he spread his stupid ideology.About Serbia, is the goverment that gave money to the assasins and the French are they stupid want of revenge,but clearly don't realise that they before conquested Alsarce-Lorraine that were german principalitys and had much german people,and they still call the germans (Wich i have blood though being brazillian wich sad me to see my blood getting killed) imperialists....
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Neetsfagging322297 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014
Gotta wonder why the numbers always keeps changing.
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TomBombardier Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
Wasn't Odenburg part of Hungary , with the red shown here just being the small portion not annexed by Austria?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
Also the Burgenland was once part of Hungary, it was ceded because of the german ethnical majority,
tho it was indeed a mixed region, also Ödenburg was settled by both ethnics.
The Burgenland however contained also ÖdenBURG, as one many cities with the ending -burg.
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YulianEruannoNoldor Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
Not bad not bad, nicht übel :) 

Quite a lot of loss / viel Verlust - but whose house, runs house.... or for this scenario : wer den Krieg verliert, hat nicht zu meckern^^
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2014
Vae Victis, Wehe den Besiegten.
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YulianEruannoNoldor Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
in fact.....

though we became one nation again, at least a ''major part'' of previous Germany/Deutsches Reich

Originally, at least a part of the Allies didn´t want us to be free ever again (of course, jedes mal wenn wir eine Nation sind, fallen wir über unsere Nachbarn her ;-) )
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2014
Ah we are Mini-Germany, not even Kleindeutschland XD

"The NATO was made to keep the USA in, the Russians out and the Germans down."
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YulianEruannoNoldor Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
well ,without the Nato, Europe wouldn´t be - in any constellation - a free place......
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
It was a joke quote ofc XD
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YulianEruannoNoldor Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Professional Artisan Crafter
ofc?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
Of course^^
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TaNa-Jo Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
meine oma  kommt aus schlesien was ja damals schon deutsch war... sie ist weiter nach deutschland geflohen vor den russen... heisst das, dass sie deutsch ist oder was war sie dann?  ursprünglich wars ja polen aber zu der zeit ja schon lange nicht mehr ...
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