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The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871 The mutilation of Germany by Arminius1871
Notice: This map was not created to offend anyone, but to educate and show historical facts,
constructive critik is always welcome, hate-comments not.

This is a map showing the territories that Germany, and german-speaking territories that Austria lost,
between 1919 and today. For every region you see the name and the date, when it was taken from Germany,
some regions were taken twice after every world war. A short description about the regions:

Federal Republic of Germany: Germany today

Austria: Anschluss forbidden in 1919, the Republic German-Austria containing all ethnical Germans
from Austria-Hungary was forbidden as well. It united with Germany in 1938 and left Germany again
after the downfall of the 3. Reich.

Northern Schleswig: Lost after a referendum in 1919, because most of the residents were danish,
Southern Schleswig was allowed to stay in Germany.

Eupen-Malmedy: Small german communities lost in 1919 and again in 1945.

Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen): Lost in 1919 and again in 1945, around 90% of the residents
are Germans, Metz and the region around was always french.

South Tyrol (Südtirol): Lost 1919 and never reunited with the rest of Tyrol. Even tho Italy tried
to erase everything German there, still 70% of the residents are Germans today.

Kanaltal, South Styria (Südsteiermark), Ödenburg etc.: Smaller german regions around Austria
claimed for German-Austria, but not allowed by the allied. Most of the Germans there were
expelled, left because of bad conditions or were assimilated.

Sudetenland: Claimed by German-Austria, but forbidden by the allied. United with Germany in 1938,
lost after 1945. 99% of the Germans killed or expelled.

West Prussia (Westpreußen), Posen, Danzig: Lost in 1919 and again in 1945. Posen was mainly settled
by Poles, West-Prussia was mixed and created the so called corridor, one of many reasons that leaded
to a war with Poland.

East-Prussia (Ostpreußen): Separated from the german mainland in 1919, lost in 1945, all Germans were killed or expelled.

Pommerania (Pommern), East Brandenburg and Silesia (Schlesien): Lost in 1945, nearly all Germans were killed or expelled.

Upper-Silesia (Oberschlesien): Lost 1922 and again 1945, nearly all Germans killed or expelled.

Not included: Language islands, that were spread all over East Europe, states that identified in former centuries as Germans, such as Luxemburg, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, the Netherlands, parts of Belgium.

I didn´t mention the Saarland and partition of Germany into 4 zones in that map, too.

For more information, check:

Treaty of Versailles:…

Potsdam conference:…

Jalta conference:…

Expulsion of the Germans:…
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Maxtheboss2 Featured By Owner 4 days ago
Would Germans want East Prussia and Pommerania back? Or are they ok with it?
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner 4 days ago
Only if it makes sense. If it would lead to a new war or hate with the Poles, noone would want it.
The old people and their sons and daughters from that region still cry when thinking about it,
maybe they want it more. But they would be ok with when all agree it was also a huge crime
and respect them. Some polish communities and especially the HUngaryans set up monuments
for the Germans. The most stubborn ones are mostly (not all) czechish people, tho they had not many
victims compared to Poland or others.
One of them clearly told me, it was good and necessary to expell all Germans, the murdered people in
the czechish massacred (200.00-300.000) were ok he said. It gave a big argue and he blocked me and
told others I´m evil, because I defend my ancestors. He´s rather childish.
Maxtheboss2 Featured By Owner 4 days ago
I see. 
GreenFoxel Featured By Owner Edited Sep 7, 2014
Hello fellow rhine cousin !
I'm one of the Scipia friend and native alsacian. Dwelving into history, i can say that i'm regretting the eastern borders as germany as well as the polish eastern borders from the interwar. (some great cities like Königsberg or breslau should have stayed german for example). But i can't be in agreement about the alsacian question. :)

I'm not pro-french (even if i was born with the tricolore), but i definitly stand for the fact that the alsacian were definitly not german. Before the Westphalia treaty, the decapole (alsacian alliance of 10 cities) was strongly attached to the Helvetic confederation (and even planned to integrate the then loosed confederation). I can't deny that the German Empire has done a lot of work during the 1870-1918 era in Strasbourg and Metz (lots of wonderfull buildings and universities), but that never made us german.  Most of alsacian were dialect-speaking at that time (i can relate with my family for that one and stories written from that times that have been given to me :) ). 

If it's a matter of a fact that the alsacian region is the child of germanic civilization and the franco-romance one, we are not german. We are not totally french either, but close to them due to our attachement to the republic principe (in fact it was really the revolution that linked the region to the rest of the country because it wasn't speaking a lot french back then). If we are to be close to one other country appart france, it would be more likely Switzerland (for multi-languages principles and mentality) or Luxembourg. And none of them are quite "german" even if they speak a dialect of it. :)

So is the point of view of someone from the region that can't be in agreement with that point of view :)
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2014
Hi there!

A honour to meet a friend of Scipia, and of course we can always discuss objectivly about other attitudes.

Let me explain what I think.

What you described is the political identity of the people from Elsass, which is normal, since France is a political nation.
What I mean is the ethnical identity. Germany and the patriotic movement of the 19th century had the goal, that as far
as the german language is spoken, shall be german, no matter how many political borders there are. And Germany was
for so many centuries splitted in hundreds of states.
So who is german? The Bavarians yes, the Rheinlander not? The Saxons yes, the Prussians not? The ones from Elsass yes,
the Brunswick not? Do you understand, Switzerland, Bavaria, Austria, Tyrol, Westphalia, Alsace, all that were just many states
of one Volk, of one nation, which was just not united political.

This is Germany:…

And some parts of this Germany want not to be part of it, like Austrians, Swiss or Alsacians. But only because of political reasons
not because their ethnic would be a different one, they are all the same people and have the same basic culture, as you surely
see everyday in Alsace.

So to me, the Alsacians (and East-Lorrainians) are just frenchified Germans, while not the people are frenchified, because the same
people live there since the peoples migration time 1600 years ago, but only the language. Alsace was like 80% of its existence within
a german Reich, only from the late 17th century to modern times it was under french rule.

Especially the german-french language and ethnic border was always one of the cleanest in Europe, if you look on the map,
while the eastern border was a mess, especially in Poland.

Of course I accept what you think, but I will also try to make u understand, why I think this way. So that was what I think,
you can agree or not. If you don´t wanna be part of the BRD ok, noone will be forced.^^ But I definitly see Elsass as part
of the german culture area in middle Europe.

Au revoi mon ami ;)
FritzOfGermania Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2014  New member Student Artist
I want unification.
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2014
Austria would be enough for now, the proud german danube monarchy^^
FritzOfGermania Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2014  New member Student Artist
True. I'd LOVE a unification of Austria and Germany.
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2014
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