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Greater Germanic Empire by Arminius1871 Greater Germanic Empire by Arminius1871
Disclaimer: I do not support anything in that scenario, it´s only an alternate history map.
Yes I used a flag and CoA with a swastica, not because I like the symbol, but because it
seems to be the most logical for me.
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One of the most used scenarios by alternate history mappers:

What would Europe look like, if Germany won the second world war?
For me it would be these borders. A core empire in central europe spanning
from a germanized east french strip controlled by the SS to the Generalgouvernement.
The east european regions of the former Soviet Union would turn into "Kommissariate"
and the scandinavian states would join the so called "Holy Germanic Empire of german nation".

The Germans also supported an uprising in Ireland that´s why they got Northern Ireland back
after Britain fell. Smaller islands north of Britain were annexed into the Reich, too.

Italy would create a new Roman Empire with parts of France, Dalmatia, Greater Albania, Greece, Cyprus
and large chunks of Africa, but not Egypt. Israel would never exist but a palestinian state with rather
good relations to Germany.

Then I draw in some ideas of where Reichsautobahnen (Imperial Highways) and Breitspurbahnen (Broad-gauge railway)
would link the cities. Berlin would turn into Germania a mega city from where the Nazis would dominate the continent.

In the little text on the top right corner I just made a short overview of the history after 1945, how they win
and create a new order for Europe.
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Zoom in for full view, it´s rather huge. Gott...dat project took me 3 or 4 evenings (while watching game of thrones and
other stuff parallel XD) but I like the result.

Many thanks for the support, I hope you like the result :)

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:iconmuhammetiali:
Muhammetiali Featured By Owner May 17, 2017
Very Nice Photo!!!!!!
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 17, 2017
Thx man^^
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:iconlongxiaolong:
LongXiaolong Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2017  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Can you teaching me, How to make the map like you? I very love it!
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2017
Yes sure, but you need photoshop, that´s the only program I am using. If you wanna do it
with Gimp, Inkscape etc. I can´t help sadly. When u got the program you can follow my
video tutorial, I made it in English and as detailled as possible:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xphWk2…
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:iconlongxiaolong:
LongXiaolong Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2017  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Wow~it's so great! I have Photoshop, but Gimp&Inkscape will be download. Thank you very much! ^^
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:iconarminius1871:
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2017
You only need photoshop, the others are not necessary^^

Tell me if it works with the video tutorial.
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:iconlongxiaolong:
LongXiaolong Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2017  Hobbyist Interface Designer
OK! Thank you so much!
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grisador Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2016
Great Work as Always Arminius ! :clap:


Lucky Finland :D
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016
Thanks a lot, time to make a greater Turkey map isn´t it XD
Since Erdogan demands islands and parts of Irak XD
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grisador Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016
It would good to see that map;
thought He didn't want the Northern Iraqi lands; this time Iraqi's (well what's left - the laugh-able government at South) are aggressors. :D
Government's Soldiers are only there to help Kurdish forces; yeah; sounds very odd/ironic. :B
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2016
The world is more exciting again^^
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grisador Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2016
:nod:
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Warsie Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
The Hakrenkruz in the flag is a bit 'off' (its suppose to be moved a bit further right) like in www.loeser.us/flags/images/nad…
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2016
Omg u r right, thx I hope I don´t forget to fix it XD
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NealMan11 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2016
That is a pathetic excuse for a roman empire. Congrats, Italy, I'm sure Caesar would be proud.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2016
Haha, how dare you to criticize il duche XD
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GeneralHelghast Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2016   General Artist
You think this Germany would still have room for Catholics?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2016
Hitler didn´t like it and it was discriminated. But they needed the church,
they couldn´t just erase this tradition from the normal people and when Hitler
dies (which would´ve been rather soon), the new leader could be a bit milder
again.
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chris-the-sword Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
i wont lie, thats a scary map....

also: i assume that the red regions are parts of the (hypothetical) italian protectorate, right?
oh, and why finland is the only white region, in the whole area of blue-ish regions?

impressive map, and while nazies are evil+they suck, this is an impressive visualization of europe's worst nightmare.

(i hope you dont have such territorial desires, my good sir!)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2016
Dont worry of course I would never want this Nazi empire i know very well which crimes happened and would happen after a victory.

It is only an alternate history scenario for entertainment and to test a map style.

But I would prefer a Germany that wins the 1. World war. Because that means the Nazis could never rise.
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GeneralHelghast Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2016   General Artist
I blame Serbia for WWI. Killing the Archduke was a bad idea.
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YamaLama1986 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 11, 2016   Digital Artist
Serbia definitely wanted Bosnia and wanted to Austria-Hungary destabilized and thought that with the rising nationalism in Europe that Austria-Hungary was doomed. but the assassins it supported were Yugoslav nationalists seeking the unification of all South Slavs including Serbs. Most of the men involved were Serbs but there were also some Croats and Bosniaks in it. There were diaspora Croats and Slovenes from Austria-Hungary who cooperated with Serbs in the Serbian-backed Yugoslav Committee in World War I that was led by a Dalmatian Croat and called for a united Yugoslavia after the war.

The main ingredient though to encourage Serbia to aid militant groups was Russia's support of Serbia. If Russia was not backing Serbia so strongly then Serbia may not have taken such risks even if it wanted to.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2016
All were guilty, but some a bit more/ triggered it.

Funnily Kaiser Wilhelm II didn´t want a war really, but the german generals wanted
and pushed him into it. Similar to Napoleon III who declared war in 1870. He was
also pushed by the elite.
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ImperialClique Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wasn't there plans to annex the Nords into Germany, aswell, why is Berlin called Germania? Also, didn't Hitler state much interest in keeping the Atlantic wall? What's the situation in Iberia, I doubt Spain would invade Portugal?
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2016
I am not sure if they would annex it into Germany, or just make a closely connected
influence sphere, they wanted at least a "Holy Germanic Empire of German Nation",
where all Nords shall be included.

Hitler wanted to call Berlin Germania, as a center for all Germanic peoples they can
identify with. Germania is also the name of the female personification of Germany,
while "Berlin" is a slavic name and means swamp XD Not so glorious, had to be renamed.

No in this scenario he doesn´t do such dumb mistakes like wasting resources on such a wall.
He didn´t learn from the French, their Maginot line was a complete waste in times of tanks and bombers.

Another alternate scenario, Franco seeing that all the other fascist states gain land, quickly invades Portugal
before the world war ends to also get a piece of the cake.
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Sergios117 Featured By Owner May 26, 2016
Poor Armenia. The Nazis finished what the Young Turks started DUN DUN DUN
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 27, 2016
But they would not kill them, at least I don´t know of any such plans, it´s too much in the south,
they wanted to settle eastern europe, not the caucasus regions.
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Sergios117 Featured By Owner May 27, 2016
Nah, Generalplan Ost needed Caucasian Oil Fields, so they'd kill off the Caucasian people too. Ironically, they'd kill off one of the original Indo Europeans lol. Maybe not settlement, but the resources are promising. Also at the time "European Russia" was also considered to include the 3 Caucasus nations, and Hitler wanted to go full Ataturk there.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016
But where did u read, they would genocide them, they would surely use the native people
as cheap labour forces, but only to colonize Poland and the closer eastern european regions
would be so massive that it needs decades. Also when Stalin and Russia is defeated behind the Ural the war would never end.

And Hitler was ill, he would die soon and new Führers would change the plans. Rather similar to what happened in the Soviet Union.
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Sergios117 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016
Generaplan ost required genocide, that is why Hitler had to assure people that they would not be blamed since people forgot about the Armenian genocide. That and his assurance are proof enough of what he had in store for us. Furthermore, Eastern Europe at that time would include the Caucasus and if they spared to population for labor, it would be slave, not cheap labor.

Regardless if Hitler was ill or not, succeeding in the Caucasus would mean he would only need a few years to exterminate the population. The Caucasus doesn't have that many people compared to European Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.  "\ 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016
I don´t think that would work, if he really starts to murder all the people, every single civilian would resists
to the bitter end, and during a cold war with America you don´t want to waste ressources, I simply can´t imagine
even if they planned to do, that they would really do it at the end, when there is peace. I guess only the neighbouring
eastern europe would get massive german crimes and murder.
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Sergios117 Featured By Owner May 30, 2016
Well dude, Hitler was an idiot, he would have been stupid enough to murder all those people no matter how unfeasible it was until he's inevitably killed by rebels or a coup. lol :D
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 30, 2016
I don´t think so
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SilentViperFanPL Featured By Owner May 20, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
What mappers consider this alternate war result as most probable after German's win? Why Germany would support free Ireland or keeping most of the west countries free? They already conquered them even before losing, so all the more they should have them in their hands. This doesn't make any sense.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 20, 2016
Because it was not the goal of the Germans to enslave the western nations, it was not even planned
to go for war in the west, as they saw them as brothers of the same blood (especially british people).
The goal was living space in the east. Ofc they would pay attention that France has a progerman government,
but I even read they wouldn´t care if they´re a republic.

As mentioned, this is not what I want, but what I think would be logical.
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Ein-Mann-Armee Featured By Owner May 8, 2016
Einfach Fantastisch! :)
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 8, 2016
Dankeschön!! :) Was a lot of work
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KekelMounten Featured By Owner May 7, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
One of my worst nightmares
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 7, 2016
The scenario yes^^
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RD-DD1843 Featured By Owner Edited May 6, 2016
Good God!  I just realized that "Germania" would have all of those horrendous public work buildings Hitler wanted to construct (the photos of the models still exist), like that speaking hall which was four times or five times the size of St. Peters in Rome.  I don't see Linz on the map (which he was planning to build up as a cultural center with museums full of stolen art from the rest of Europe).  Prague seems to be here - it would have that museum of the destroyed Jews.  The Scots would probably have been pissed off that Hitler rewarded Quisling with the Orkneys and Shetland Islands that were long a bone of contention between the Kingdom of Scotland and the Norwegians in the Middle Ages.  How long "Greater Finland" would have been around is anyone's guess.  Mannerheim accepted aid from the Nazis against Stalin, but disliked them all the same.  The Italian Imperial Expansion would have lasted while Mussolini was alive, as he was the only Italian Hitler liked.  Once he was gone Italy would have lost the Balkan provinces.  They would have been lucky to keep the Dodecanese Islands and Corfu.  Why is Franco rewarded with Portugal?  Salazar not sufficiently right wing for the Germans?  And Switzerland finally finds the payoff for it's unofficial "pro-Nazi" neutrality: it ceases to exist!

How long did it take you to do this map?  For an alternate history map it's pretty good.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 6, 2016
A great comment, let me answer as much as possible!

Yes Germania would be constructed in a neo-classicistic style, which was actually a style which appeared all over Europe in that time,
in Finnland, Russia even France and Italy. But Germania would´ve been the biggest project by far, here a good video of the changes:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXmrV…

www.berlinstory.de/wp-content/…

Yeah true I didn´t add Linz, it is small but maybe because of culture should´ve been added, I´ll do next time if I ever make one map again about
that topic^^

Britain would´ve punished, but it depends on how total the victory was. Here England didn´t wait too long and surrendered when Russia fell,
so they only lost Northern Ireland. Therefor that northern islands were given to german controll out of geostrategical reasons.

Yes Greater Finnland and the italian possessions are surely not safe from german interests in the future, but we can only speculate what a new
Führer would´ve done and wanted. Beside Himmler or Göring even Hans-Ulrich Rudel were candidates. Heydrich too, but as we know he was
assassinated.

In that scenario Franco saw that victory is near for Germany and even he wanted a piece of the cake, so he invaded Portugal and also
Roussilon in France to annex it.

I read Switzerland would´ve been divided roughly along the language borders after the main victory.

I needed 3-4 evenings with some breaks, but I´m not an expert ofc, others are much better. Thanks for the nice words :)
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GingiviticCinema Featured By Owner May 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You must have worked very hard to make this map. The details are wonderful and the overall impact is... horrible, to be honest. I definitely wouldn't like this to happen to my, nor any other country in the neighbourhood. However, the idea is certainly interesting.

Anyway, great job!
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 6, 2016
Thanks for the compliment! Yes the scenario is evil, but alternate history often uses it^^
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JackCensor Featured By Owner May 6, 2016
Couple of questions:

1: Why would Finland be left alone? Mannerheim allied himself with Nazi Germany because they needed a strong benefactor in their fight against Russia. But on the personal level, Mannerheim hated Hitler, and Finland later fought the Lappland war against Germany, defeating her. A greater Finland with this attitude would be a liability for Germany. Or is Finland in this scenario run by an ideological Nazi puppet like the Ironguard in Romania and the Arrow-Crosses in Hungary?

2: I'm a bit confused about the U.K. Everything blue on the map is part of the Nazi empire, right? You say "Britain fell", but on the map, it looks like it hasn't. 

3: What about Nuclear weapons? Does this German empire have them? You said Japan was victorious, but i have a really hard time seeing Japan gain any kind of victory after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hitler can build all the Germanias he wants, but it's not gonna amount to much when the Yanks start peppering it with WMDs without prejudice. I'm asking, because if Nazi Germany had managed to do the impossible and conquer and occupy the Soviet Union, it still wouldn't have lasted long, if they'd had no way upholding a balance of terror with the United States. Because i presume that there has been no Nazi boots on American soil in this scenario, and that the Yanks have still managed to develop the Atomic Bomb and use it on Japan, right? 
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 6, 2016
Sure let me answer it!

1. It would be a puppet definitly, they wouldn´t allow a completely independant state there,
but it wouldn´t be integrated into the german nation, as far as I know Hitler respected the Finns.

2. No darkblue is the core reich where only Germans live, light blue is what shall be completely integrated
and germanized within the next decades, so that means he would murder or expell the slavs and let Germans
settle in the east, and force Scandinavians to learn German and feel as part of the greater germanic reich
within the next decades. This was not planned for Britain, Britain shall even keep its colonial empire and govern
India for or together with Germany.

3. Both have atomic bombs, Hitler invested more into it, and they got it nearly at the same time. I am not sure
if the USA would waste resources and keep fighting against Japan. And don´t forget, the Americans needed
a base like Britain or Italy they conquered to fly to Germany and throw the bomb. But if Italy never falls but Britain
does, how shall they do it? On the other side, the Germans already had jet technology, rockets and wanted to
create the Amerikabomber. So when Germany says, USA fuck off from Japan finally or New York is ash,
then they would maybe make peace.
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raspberryvixen Featured By Owner May 4, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Scheisse!!!!  This is pretty dang close to what my version of the map would look like in the setting of my graphic novel.  WOW.  This is awesome.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 5, 2016
Danke sehr XD Yeah I tried to make a rather logical scenario, of course we never know how
it would really turn out, maybe France would not lose so much territory...or even more XD
But this should be rather close to what happens.
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Unb3kann1 Featured By Owner May 4, 2016
... bis wohin würden die deutschen Gebiete im Osten gehen, wenn ich fragen darf ?
Es wäre Schade um die Rohstoffe wenn Japan in Russland aufschlagen würde.
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Arminius1871 Featured By Owner May 5, 2016
Also ich habe mal gelesen, dass Deutschland und Japan ihr Gebiet entweder durch einen gewissen
Längengrad abgegrenzt hätten (irgendwo hinter dem Ural aufjedenfall) oder geografisch an den alten
russischen Ländergrenzen oder....Japan hätte nichts bekommen, da es dummerweise anstatt Russland
anzugreifen um Deutschland zu entlasten, sich mit den Amis angelegt hatte, obwohl ein deutscher Sieg
automatisch auch ein Sieg für Japan im Pazifik über lange Zeit bedeutet hätte.
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Wuroiz Featured By Owner May 16, 2016
Japan hätte im Falle eines deutschen Sieges definitiv Territorien (rück-)erlangt. Zu sagen, das Kaiserreich hätte Russland dummerweise nicht attackiert, ist weder faktisch, noch wertungsbezogen korrekt. Japan trag zur Jahrzehntwende den Kampf gegen Russland an, was sich aber als nicht rentabel erwies.
Der Kampf im russischen Osten hätte der Japaner, besonders im Hinblick auf den von den Amerikanern geübten Druck auf die japanische Wirtschaft, niemals über einen Zeitraum von mehreren Jahren durchzuführen vermocht.
Die Aussage, Japan habe sich mit den Amerikanern angelegt, ist folglich genauso inkorrekt und falsch, wie Behauptung eins.
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